Base Saiyans' PL.

[Edward Newgate]

How strong are base Goku, Vegeta and Gohan in your opinion?

I've held the opinion that they didn't get too strong (like, 50 million at most) after Namek, while some people think that they jumped from low millions to hundreds of millions range just like that, despite the fact that their main power ups came from their SSJ transformation.

However, there's also the thing with Vegeta during the tournament, where they decided to limit themselves and not use SSJ, yet Vegeta still was confident that he could win against anyone there. Does this mean he's stronger than Piccolo in base?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Here are their Android Saga Power Levels:
Goku: 7,000,000
Vegeta: 7,200,000
Here are their Cell Saga Power Levels:
Vegeta: 87,600,000
Goku: 356,000,000
Here are their Cell Games Power Levels
Vegeta: 200,000,000
Goku: 360,000,000
Here are their Buu Saga Power Levels
Goku: 2,000,000,000
Vegeta: 1,000,000,000
Here are their EoZ Power Levels:
Goku: 36,000,000,000
Vegeta: 24,000,000,000

[JP6GAMER]

Goku: ~58 million
Gohan: ~32 million
Vegeta: ~40 million

Maybe these are completely false...haha.

[dbzfan7]

This is a good thread to see people post opinionated power levels throughout the series

[hleV]

I don't think that any EOZ base Saiyan (Gohan doesn't count) was above 100,000,000 (yes, weaker than 100% Freeza). In fact, I think it's way below that. People in DB had never gained huge boosts by simple training (except for, maybe, Android arc Piccolo). To get so strong, they needed weight training, training from gods, gravity training, Super Saiyan mastery training, afterlife training, having someone on par with them to spar with... I personally find it funny when some people assume that Saiyans' power growth kept such pace, without considering that there weren't much efficient ways to train left for them. Goku even told that he had hit his limit in the ROSAT, take that as you will.

[Kaboom]

I don't think it's impossible that they were already rivaling or stronger than Freeza in their normal states by the Majin Boo arc. But I don't see it as necessary, either. It's likely they were at least pushing on that realm of power, by even the most minimalist approach to the power gains made in the Androids/Cell arc, but their exact power either in numbers or just compared to anyone else is a mystery. At least until Shueisha decides to construct and bestow upon us a post-Freeza power levels list at some point.

Also, yes, let's please try to express our opinions in some way other than just copy-pasting a list of numbers.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

People in DB had never gained huge boosts by simple training (except for, maybe, Android arc Piccolo).

Even Piccolo's fast & huge gains could be because of Nail merging with him, extending Piccolo's dormant power, plus, he was training with Super Saiyan Goku. But even in Piccolo's case, he didn't became 400 times stronger.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't know where you guys keep getting this idea that these guys never got a lot stronger throughout the series. Them using different methods have always skyrocketed their power. I have them at a fairly steady pace of about a 1.25x increase per year of average training. I'm not saying these guys have to be above Freeza's level in base but I personally think they got a good deal stronger as the series went on. Heck SSJ Vegeta was likely stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell according to a strength checker after only that 1 year in the ROSAT. I think their base powers landed in the low billions by the Buu saga.

[Rocketman]

Less than 10 million.

[Undertaker]

I have Buu Saga Base Goku ~ Initial Semi Perfect Cell. I don't think it makes sense for Buu Saga Base Goku be above Semi Perfect Cell's full power and even use the 50X power up.

[Saiga]

By the Cell Games/early Boo saga, I think they'd all be around 50% Freeza. Just seems like a logical spot to put them after all the training and power ups they've been through. At the end of the series, I think Goku and Vegeta would be right on the 100 million mark.

[Mystic Gohan]

I see the base Saiyans most definitely being far far above Freeza by the time the Boo saga rolls around. Most likely in the Cell Games too, considering how the power gains were modest between the Cell and Boo sagas.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I see the base Saiyans most definitely being far far above Freeza by the time the Boo saga rolls around. Most likely in the Cell Games too, considering how the power gains were modest between the Cell and Boo sagas.

Same here. I have Vegeta and Goku in the 10s of billions by the end of DBZ.

[Mystic Gohan]

I see the base Saiyans most definitely being far far above Freeza by the time the Boo saga rolls around. Most likely in the Cell Games too, considering how the power gains were modest between the Cell and Boo sagas.

Same here. I have Vegeta and Goku in the 10s of billions by the end of DBZ.

I've never done a power level list myself, though I do believe the End of Dragon Ball Z base Saiyans to be equal to Kid Boo in power(at least Goku and Vegeta).

[TheMightyOzaru]

I see the base Saiyans most definitely being far far above Freeza by the time the Boo saga rolls around. Most likely in the Cell Games too, considering how the power gains were modest between the Cell and Boo sagas.

Same here. I have Vegeta and Goku in the 10s of billions by the end of DBZ.

I've never done a power level list myself, though I do believe the End of Dragon Ball Z base Saiyans to be equal to Kid Boo in power(at least Goku and Vegeta).

Well to believe that you would need to believe in exponential growth. It is possible but that would likely make characters like Cell actually capable of destroying an entire Solar System not just our systems star.

[Mystic Gohan]

Same here. I have Vegeta and Goku in the 10s of billions by the end of DBZ.

I've never done a power level list myself, though I do believe the End of Dragon Ball Z base Saiyans to be equal to Kid Boo in power(at least Goku and Vegeta).

Well to believe that you would need to believe in exponential growth. It is possible but that would likely make characters like Cell actually capable of destroying an entire Solar System not just our systems star.

Why's that?

[Dabooyaka]

Base Trunks sent imperfect Cell many miles away with just a Kiai. Chibbi kid trunks put up a really good fight against 18, they have to be beyond Freeza for them to do that, then again so is Piccolo.

[Saiga]

The trouble I have with putting the base Saiyans up so high is that I'm not sure how they'd get up there plausibly. I don't think the gains they got from training for the Androids were anything special (except for Piccolo's massive boost), since they still weren't strong enough to beat 17 and 18. They clearly made a lot of progress in the RoSaT, but there doesn't appear to be a lot of growth between the 7 years after the Cell Games.

So I don't really seeing them making gains that are THAT great through the RoSaT alone, especially since the other times they train don't seem to give them nearly that much.

[Dabooyaka]

I agree. The base saiyans being that strong doesn't sit right with me. But I can's just ignore whats implied. Like I said in my previous post, Base Trunks sends imperfect Cell miles away with nothing more than a yell. The base boys fight on par with 18 while wearing a difficult costume. The Daizenshhu itself says that Trunks showed power on par with 18. Since he never fought her as a Super Saiyan, since he she ended the fight with a Kienzan, It's safe to say that they meant base Trunks.

The base Saiyans should be at the very least above Freeza, probably a lot stronger.

[Fox666]

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