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by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:02 pm
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by dario03 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:22 pm
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by coola » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:17 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, why is it that much problem if they die? They are ghost warriors, they can get revived unlimited times.
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by Rocketman » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:32 pm
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by CaBrPi » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:17 pm
coola wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but, why is it that much problem if they die? They are ghost warriors, they can get revived unlimited times.
Probably has to do with the fact that there's a giant monster smashing everything
right there. How does Raichi summon the ghost warriors, exactly?
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by Saiga » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:19 pm
CaBrPi wrote:coola wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but, why is it that much problem if they die? They are ghost warriors, they can get revived unlimited times.
Probably has to do with the fact that there's a giant monster smashing everything
right there. How does Raichi summon the ghost warriors, exactly?
No, the ghost warriors reform
automatically, from any injury. They're made of some weird smoke stuff.
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by CaBrPi » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:44 pm
Saiga wrote:CaBrPi wrote:coola wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but, why is it that much problem if they die? They are ghost warriors, they can get revived unlimited times.
Probably has to do with the fact that there's a giant monster smashing everything
right there. How does Raichi summon the ghost warriors, exactly?
No, the ghost warriors reform
automatically, from any injury. They're made of some weird smoke stuff.
Oh. Well.
That's odd.
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by Gonstead » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:51 pm
Perhaps it's because Hirudegarn is sort of like a Ghost Monster himself?
That, or he killed the previous Saiyans like how they were originally killed, ending them forever like in the OVA?
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by Saiga » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:50 am
I don't know, that seems to be stretching it if he's individually killing each Saiyan in the exact same way, on pure coincidence. I think Salagir is just ignoring that detail.
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by testing223 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:48 am
Or Hildgegarn is simply SO powerful he breaks the usual magical rules of Dragonball.
Example: He broke Gotenks in two.
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by Saiga » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:28 am
That's not a very good example. Causing Gotenks to defuse isn't necessarily breaking the rules of magic - that could just be a regular fault in fusion (or the time limit expiring, SS3 Gotenks doesn't last very long). It's different from killing what can't be killed, and I don't see how it makes sense to just be strong enough to ignore their invulnerability.
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by testing223 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:48 am
We're literally talking about magic, which has no rules other than what the author wants them to be. There's no point in saying something doesn't "fit" when it's made up--it's all made up.
Look, I can make up reasons too.
Raichi changed the ghost-summoning tech and they "die" differently.
Raici's lab was damaged so they can't regenerate like they normally can.
Raichi is out of practice with ghost warriors so he hasn't got his machines in full combat mode yet.
Hildegarn's OWN magical powers contradict the ghosts' regeneration.
Hildegarn is simply so powerful his blows destroy the ghosts.
Raichi has backups and simply hates Saiyins and takes pleasure in seeing them die, when they're gone he can make many more.
See? All made up, all plausible as any other because it's literally magic.
No point in trying to say "My magic beliefs make more sense than those magic beliefs" since there's literally no rules other than what you want them to be.
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by CaBrPi » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:25 pm
See, I've never actually seen either of the Plan to Eradicate... OVAs. I was under the impression that there was a machine or something similar responsible for generating the ghost warriors.
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by Rukura » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:24 pm
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by Saiga » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:48 pm
Yes, I am aware that it's magic. However this is not being consistent with the rules of the original special, and just because you provide inadequate explanations does not stop it from being a contradiction/plot hole.
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by testing223 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:08 am
Saiga wrote:Yes, I am aware that it's magic. However this is not being consistent with the rules of the original special, and just because you provide inadequate explanations does not stop it from being a contradiction/plot hole.
What rules were set about Hildegarn's powers versus ghosts?
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by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:11 am
That's really twisting things. The rule is that the ghosts regenerate from any damage, and can only be killed in their original way. Saying the Hirudegarn can ignore those rules is bad enough because there is no grounds for it, but Salagir didn't even use that reason, or any other.
So it's a plothole, no matter what you might say.
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by dario03 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:46 pm
Saiga wrote:That's really twisting things. The rule is that the ghosts regenerate from any damage, and can only be killed in their original way. Saying the Hirudegarn can ignore those rules is bad enough because there is no grounds for it, but Salagir didn't even use that reason, or any other.
So it's a plothole, no matter what you might say.
I haven't seen that special in like 10 years but wasn't there a machine that brought them back to life? Maybe that got destroyed so they can't come back right now?
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by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:37 pm
dario03 wrote:Saiga wrote:That's really twisting things. The rule is that the ghosts regenerate from any damage, and can only be killed in their original way. Saying the Hirudegarn can ignore those rules is bad enough because there is no grounds for it, but Salagir didn't even use that reason, or any other.
So it's a plothole, no matter what you might say.
I haven't seen that special in like 10 years but wasn't there a machine that brought them back to life? Maybe that got destroyed so they can't come back right now?
There was the Hatchiyack machine, yes, but if that was destroyed then none of the Ghost Warriors should be there to begin with.
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by dario03 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:36 pm
Yeah but maybe destroying it doesn't kill them by itself and maybe it was destroyed after they were summoned. Of course thats a pretty big thing to leave out.