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by JeffJarrett » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:34 am
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Do you guys think the floating upside down pyramid with the tree on top is somewhat based on the this:
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I don't know why, but I've been thinking this since the trailer first came out.
I think it might be located in the Other World (bottom tip of the universe).
Chozenshuu 1 reveals that the Gods of Creation are the Kaioshins, so the Gods of Destruction may be the Makaioshins.
As to how Goku will defeat Bills, I thinks it might just be a new strategy like what he used to defeat Hatchiyack (waiting 14 seconds to fire his attack) or a new technique. I also think he'll defeat Bills using his base or Super Saiyan form, no Super Saiyan 2 or 3, just to show that techniques/strategy are more important than power/power level.
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by UpFromTheSkies » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:49 am
Here is my theory of what happens....Bills comes to Earth to fight Goku, expecting Goku to be a formidable opponent, and is disappointed when he easily defeats Goku. He believes Goku must have some hidden power in him because of what the fish told him, so he leaves without killing him and plans to return later. After Bills leaves, the Kaioshins unleash Goku's full power and make him into Mystic Goku, which is what Bills was hoping would happen. The Kaioshins tell him that the only way he can stand against Bills is to go Super Saiyan while in this form, but he must not do it on Earth because it will destroy the Earth. (Mystic Super Saiyan surpasses even Super Saiyan 4 because Super Saiyan 4 didn't destroy the Earth) Bills returns to fight Goku and is pleased to see his new upgrade, they go to the Kaio realm to battle, and Goku becomes Super Saiyan. A great battle commences, with Goku eventually coming out as the victor. Bills exerts so much energy in the battle that he goes back to sleep, and Goku reverts back to his normal form, because becoming Super Saiyan used up his Mystic upgrade.
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by JeffJarrett » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:11 am
UpFromTheSkies wrote:Here is my theory of what happens....Bills comes to Earth to fight Goku, expecting Goku to be a formidable opponent, and is disappointed when he easily defeats Goku. He believes Goku must have some hidden power in him because of what the fish told him, so he leaves without killing him and plans to return later. After Bills leaves, the Kaioshins unleash Goku's full power and make him into Mystic Goku, which is what Bills was hoping would happen. The Kaioshins tell him that the only way he can stand against Bills is to go Super Saiyan while in this form, but he must not do it on Earth because it will destroy the Earth. (Mystic Super Saiyan surpasses even Super Saiyan 4 because Super Saiyan 4 didn't destroy the Earth) Bills returns to fight Goku and is pleased to see his new upgrade, they go to the Kaio realm to battle, and Goku becomes Super Saiyan. A great battle commences, with Goku eventually coming out as the victor. Bills exerts so much energy in the battle that he goes back to sleep, and Goku reverts back to his normal form, because becoming Super Saiyan used up his Mystic upgrade.
Bills finds and fights with Goku on King Kai's planet, not Earth.
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That's not toriyama xD
That's a guy who works for Glénat, the editor of Toriyama's manga series in France, who receives Toriyama's special award because Toriyama wasn't there to get it himself.
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by TheRed259 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:19 am
Ah , I was warried for a moment !! 
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by CaBrPi » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:41 am
Wow, I just realized that the drawing of the universe looks a lot like Kami's palace.
Not sure exactly where I've been all this time, but I believe it was under a rock.
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by bleed0range » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:28 pm
I didn't read the last few posts before I watched that video and I thought it WAS him. lol. I still want to see what the guy looks like in 2013. What is up with him and public appearances of ANY kind? Or even ya know, cameras in general.
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by Chuquita » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:56 pm
I'm not sure if it's just Toriyama who's camera-shy; you don't see much of Eiichiro Oda either.
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by Ninja Murasaki » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:01 pm
Calling that Bils becomes Goku ally and attends the party at the end.
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by Gonstead » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:08 pm
Ninja Murasaki wrote:Calling that Bils becomes Goku ally and attends the party at the end.
And it ends like this.
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by samuraix123 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:21 pm
Gonstead wrote:Ninja Murasaki wrote:Calling that Bils becomes Goku ally and attends the party at the end.
And it ends like this.
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by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:43 pm
Chuquita wrote:I'm not sure if it's just Toriyama who's camera-shy; you don't see much of Eiichiro Oda either.
It's probably just a manga authors overall thing, maybe. I've never really found a decent picture of Nobuhiro Watsuki from the front either. Though on the flip side, I've seen a fair amount of Masakazu Katsura pictures...
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by Karasai » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:02 pm
UpFromTheSkies wrote:Kaioshins unleash Goku's full power and make him into Mystic Goku,
I stopped reading at this part :l
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by penguintruth » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:27 pm
Goku is about to finish Bils off, when suddenly Gohan steps in and does it.
"THAT'S WHAT YOU GET, FATHER! STEAL MY THUNDER, WILL YOU?" he angrily proclaims, and storms off on a huff.
"Aw," says Goku, dejected.
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by Gonstead » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:49 pm
Make it Yamcha and we're golden.
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by Chuquita » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:38 pm
Anxiously awaiting the translated summary of Birusu's powers as listed in the chozenshuu. If Toei won't show us what he can do in the advertising, at least being able to read about what he's capable of would be helpful.
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by B » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:42 pm
The most interesting thing that could come out of the essential fight is if Bills just loses and admits defeat, rather than being killed/sealed away/shot into the sun. It's not like death prevents him from showing up in other DB content, but it would be a welcome, less expected outcome.
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by Thanos » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:58 pm
Yeah, definitely not Toriyama. Too old. He's "only" about 57. That guy looks about 75. Too much hair, too, as even when he was relatively young, he a receding hairline.
The man himself just over ten years ago... can't imagine he looks too different.
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by Sinestro » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:10 pm
Thanos wrote:Yeah, definitely not Toriyama. Too old. He's "only" about 57.
I didn't know he was that young!
(Relatively speaking, anyway.)
