Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

I tried watching the animated series and it was ok but I only got like 10 episodes in before I just moved on to something else. I just wish there was a series where Superman learned how to use his powers over a period of time. At least then he would struggle physically to a degree. Superman also needs better villains. Darkseid just looks incredibly stupid, no offence to any Darkseid fans.

You just mean one of the best characters created by Jack Kirby (one of the most legendary comic creators of all time) in his Magnum Opus (Jack Kirby's Fourth World). Offense? >_>



Written/drawn as he was by Jack Kirby, he was a great villain. Cunning, scheming, yet he could wreck anyone who faced him by himself with the Omega Effect (which he could control with pinpoint accuracy, and even phase through solid matter in pursuit of his foe, which he could move across space, through time, erase from existence, bring them back, or even alter their form at his whim). Being the leader of a planet of Evil Gods does have that advantage. There's a foe Goku could face instead of ol' Bilsy the Cat.

Yeah, too many writers have misused him to make Superman look good. But when he's done right, he's my favorite comic villain (and is generally considered one of the best ever created by many).

Superman: TAS does get better as time goes on, but if you'd prefer to see him in a setting where there's more threats for him to deal with that he can't always beat by himself, Justice League is always a good option (I enjoyed the show personally, it had a good variety of characters).

Perhaps I should have been more specific. I think Darkseid looks stupid. I don't think his character is stupid since I know very little and as such I cannot judge.

[dario03]

I never really cared about Darkseid's look one way or the other but I thought he was pretty cool in Superman TAS and Justice League (Unlimited). The stories with him were usually pretty cool and I liked his lines and voice.

And its always fun to see Superman take a beating http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... V9w#t=185s

[Onikage725]

If you don't like Darkseid, might I recommend his Pepsi version? Thanos is every bit as awesome, ruthless, and cunning.

[yakonojo]

Hi there guys,
I’m here to discuss goku’s strength because I found death battle’s analysis a little poor… Now don’t get me wrong, they came up with good ideas, but I thought it needed some modifications to be more accurate. I haven't read all the posts on this thread...(actually almost none) so I'll just put everything I'm concerned about in this post:

KI CONTROL
I was a bit confused with the terms power level, ki, and stamina so I think about it and try it to simplify it in my mind. Power level is the equivalent of ki until the moment when goku trained with kami. From there on, we will have to distinguish the ki in reserve (not perceptible, not used) from the ki that is being externalized. So if someone can hide his ki, you can only guess how strong he is (rough estimate).
If you use up your ki, no more stamina, and you can’t fight anymore even without injuries (unless maybe you’re enraged? That would explained how goku despite being completely out of energy could fight freeza after his SSJ transformation).
To beat an opponent, you’ll have to surpass him in ki and martial arts basically. Now it also depends on how you use your ki. You can increase defense speed strength awareness… in different manners (not really demonstrated in the manga, but that’s how most of people feel when you look at a buffed SSJ, buta faster than the other members of his team with a roughly same power level)
Some example where you can see that power level isn’t everything in a fight(your kung fu is also important): Krillin was able to kick nappa (who said something like : at least he can move ), Vegeta and dodoria (having not too much difference in power level), Videl and sporovitch (his stamina prevailed against videl).
In dragon ball universe, the character who has the most developed his ki control is Goku. He did it with kami, kaio (to learn kaio ken), in the time chamber with gohan (to come up with the FPSSJ), and probably in the after life (to get SSJ3).
Whenever you use a transformation, your stamina drops because you’re using up your ki to put not in your strength speed etc. but into the transformation. Goku trained with gohan in the time chamber in order to diminish the ki lost in the transformation, in order to put it back into your “base power”. So FPSSJ wouldn’t really be an increase in the multiplier, but more like a base increase while transformed (which has the same result as an increase in the SSJ multiplier actually). That’s why I think it’s more a training about ki control than just leveling up your base. From that point, if you add up transformation into SSJ while you have mastered the FPSSJ, your ki lost is lower than while you haven’t. And you actually don’t need FPSJJ to achieve SSJ2, but it would be less effective.
As for kaio ken: your body can’t hold a level of kaio ken if you don’t master it first. Your body suffers, but in order to prevent that, you use your ki to protect it (put your ki in the defense). So the result is the rapid lost of ki. That would explain that Goku was emptied after x20 kaioken kamehameha)
There’s also a multiplier when you fire a ki blast. Maybe not every ki blast, but at least technique like kamehameha. So why was radditz so surprised when goku fired a kamehameha and his power level rised? I think it’s because at that moment, the multiplier was too high to be just from the ki blast. What happened was he had to stop suppressing his ki (from kami’s training) to be able to unleash full force KHH. So goku base would be arnoud 600 700 maybe 800 (At the beginning of DBZ when toriyama bothered to use power level, He tried to be consistent)

POWER LEVEL
Let’s steal the gravity multiplier from death battle and apply it to power level! Goku on earth raditz saga 600-800
Post kaio training : 8000 at 10x earth gravity (maybe not a coincidence) but was at 5000 on the scouter
Post “on his way to namek 100x earth gravity” training : 90 000 (pretty consistent if you add the fact that he got a zenkai or two during the training, that’d be why he was more than 80 000 AND the fact he was excited to fight against an opponent like freeza). I think ginyu guessed goku’s power level to be about at 60 000 and if his guess is right, a good warrior should have a PL of 500 on earth, on 10x : 5000, on 100x : 50 000.
(One think I never understand in dragon ball is that the power level rises as they take off their weighted clothing. If you have less weight on you, it means less effort, and thus less energy release, right? If anything, it should go down… but maybe akira toriyama didn’t think it like that. Less weight = stronger = rise in PL)
Okay from that point no more gravity, power level nor numbers. This is the point where Toriyama said “ah f*ck it, I don’t wanna think too hard”
So we say, the more the gravity you can handle, the more your base power level increases. The opposite should also be true right? The more power level you have, the more gravity you SHOULD be able to handle (remember: think simple)
90 000 is 100x earth gravity. Goku got a hell of a zenkai and his PL jumped to 3 000 000 (x33.33) = gravity of 3333,33
Sooo, assuming goku had not improved his base power level since then up to pre Buu saga (which I believe it’s true, since most of his training seen in scan is in SSJ and would mean ki control training to me) he should be able to handle his 2 ton on each limb easily even if the kai’s world had a gravity of 10x
(80 tons + 600 kg / 60 kg = 1 343,33 gravity)
BUT if you apply 40 Tons (which would be 400 tons) it’s just too much for goku : 400 600 kg / 60kg = 6676,67 gravity.
There you go, it fits. Except that it’s not stated in the manga. Either Toriyama planed it all along and forgot about it. Or it could just him being lazy and throwing random numbers. I'll accept that HE didn't forget about it and that he planed it to be normal gravity if goku had said "wow the gravity is so light, it's like I'm on earth". It's easy to say that he just forgot, but it's also too easy to say "it's not stated to be different therefor it's the same gravity"

Now, I’ll explain to you how I see pre buu saga training:
- Vegeta learns that Goku comes back to life and is excited to confront him. He was training believing he’ll never fight against goku again.
BUT, as his ex rival comes back to life, he feels he will need FPSSJ training just like goku did in the time chamber (he only trained at 100x while in SSJ form… it just doesn’t make any sense to me) in order to catch up to him (btw he failed to do so). NB: You can see that Trunks power level should be around 90 000 top ( well… he struggles in base form )
What was Vegita doing during the past 7 years? Before knowing about goku coming would be: master SSJ2 and raised his base form.
- Goku : He achieve SSJ2. Comes up with SSJ3. And rises his base power level.
Here’s my guess: when he achieved SSJ3 he considered that the strength gain was really great, but the amount of ki that this transformation suck up was just too much. Thus he doesn’t completely master it thinking it’s a waste of time (goku after SSJ3 transformation: “this is SSJ3, sorry it took so long, I’m not use to it). Then, considing this and the fact that there probably won’t be any foe that can stand up to SSJ2, he decide to increase his base power level. Proof? I’d say: vegeta and goku SSJ2 were both praised as “even stronger than gohan back then”. Now I don’t think there is different degree of SSJ2 mutliplier like SSJ, because 1) the idea is redundant, and 2) there’s really no (too few) different “level” of SSJ2 characters with no characteristics that differs them from another: Gohan adolescent, gohan teen, and Goku-Majin Vegeta SSJ2 (in order from weakest to strongest). The fact that goku and vegeta achieved a level even higher than gohan back then wasn’t due to a variation of SSJ2 transformation, but it’s more due to their base PL increase. Think about it, if it’s the base that you increase, there is NO lost/”waste” of ki in the transformation, and since it was peace (≠ training while under pressure! Which you have to come up with gain of strength really really fast like when against android, cell, super buu). And vegita probably thinks the same.
So basically : transformation training is for when you need to gain strength really fast (zenkai is the same, at first, but then maybe too risky in comparison? Anyway akira toriyama abandoned the idea after a saga where he began to play with transformation level)
Here we have it: Goku from end of “freeza saga” to “pre buu training” has the same base power level (3 000 000). Then goes up (with vegeta) by an undetermined amount of time.

ZENKAI
Now I want to talk about saiyen’s only true super power: zenkai. There are no actual numbers on how much it goes up. It varies depending on plot demand. But I have a theory for the fluctuation: The actual near death experience. Let me explain: there is a moment where the wounds inflicted is critical to a saiyen’s life. That’s the moment where the zenkai start to lose efficacy to rise the power level. Vegeta vs goku first zenkai : vegeta has spent too much time in critical condition to have a great impact on his power level. Goku’s body who was owned by vegeta was healed right away. The increase was 33,33x ! while vegeta’s was only 1,33x.
Then the author kinda trades this power for “SSJ level” after SSJ2 (last zenkai mentioned was cell’s).
I believe also that there’re other factors, such as “the enemy you have in front of you” theory. Obviously it was made for cell since his zenkai put him in the same level as gohan (immediate threat). But it can also mean how you consider yourself in danger in the near future. Like when vegeta was beaten by goku, he considered himself as the strongest of the universe, which mean his body acted like “oh well no need to increase your strength that much then”.
Or it could just be that the stronger you are, the more zenkai you receive (that would make super perfect cell exponentially stronger if given time… but not sure he would blow himself up to get stronger)
Consider this as a theory of something that the author didn’t even think about, but he‘d rather come up with some explanations afterward.
Based on this: there’s actually no zenkai for goku in cell saga, nor buu saga. Read it again if you don’t trust me. He never finishes ANY fight and was always interrupted. BUT if you considered GT to be canon, there should be 2 zenkai’s against super baby, one against super 17, and one or two against omega shenron. All of them should be high if my theory is correct. But again, if you consider GT canon, goku’s base power level jumped to his SSJ3 end of Z level (you know, peace time, no need to rush, so you rise only your base....? that kind of thing)

There’re two problems I need to solve if I want to discover goku’s prime’s power: goku’s base power level at the beginning of buu saga. He undeniably raised his power level (I talked about how vegeta and goku was stronger). That is, if you accept my theory of a non changing SSJ2 power multiplier. The problem is: by how much?
His training with weight ressemble gohan’s training with the sword in this particular matter: the weight was too much for their base. So hey train in SSJ in order to get used to it in base form. Assuming he finished his training he is capable of sustaining 6676,67 gravity (I’ve talked about it earlier too). His power level should be 6 009 003 in base form.
Second hole: FPSSJ multiplier. That one is a pain in the *ss… NO IDEA. So I’ll throw a number of facts, and my thoughts on it, but I actually won’t use it to find goku’s prime power. Just skip this paragraph if you don’t want to read it. But it exists. And it matters, because a SSJ2 is stronger than a FPSSJ (like cell and FPSSJ goku). If you apply a SSJ2 multiplier without a FPSSJ, it’s like saying the whole cell saga didn’t happened. And it was a dream that gohan made up somehow ended up killing goku!
First, the augmentation in strength is as strong as the ki saved up from the SSJ transformation. Which is probably a lot, since first time gohan got SSJ he couldn’t hold it for long (maybe 10 seconds? I don’t know). We don’t know gohan’s power level at that time…But I can get you a rough estimate of the minimum power level to be a SSJ: between 30 000 to 90 000. Since goku’s training on his way to namek was stated to make him a potential SSJ (manga quote, don’t know how to do it).
Let’s say it’s 30 000! So you use up 30 000 power level of ki to get to super saiyen with your unchanged base power level, but it can only hold for so long. It uses up a lot of ki because it’s acquired through rage. Now a calm, mastered SSJ can draw the same amount of energy (multiplier) for a lesser ki deprivation. For example: if it uses 30 000 power level of ki to a normal SSJ, it literally uses 0 ki power level to a FPSSJ, and this ki is put to the base (which is multiplied). So we get A rise of 30 000 x 50 = 150 000( It’s kinda ridiculously low but I lack numbers…)
Literally 0 because it would take as much ki to them as to breath, or as to stay awake. (since they can endure for a day then go to sleep in normal form for like a week)
I think it’s more an amount of ki rather than a percentage because it’s how I felt it reading the manga: You need some sort of ki amount to achieve SSJ (base power level required for SSJ), the stronger you get, the easier you can transform, and the longer you can stay SSJ. (But if it weren’t, then maybe the power level numbers would be more accurate)
Now it contradicts the fact that I said goku didn’t increase his base power level in android and cell saga, so if you want an explanation that includes those both theory, just give the kai’s planet a higher gravity…
I guess you could try to make a power scaling from that moment on, knowing that if you have a PL higher than a groupe a people, you can beat them even if they gang up. Proof : goku vs 4 tenshin han, nappa vs Z warriors (anyway if you gang up on someone in DBZ, it’s mainly to show that the guy is stronger than all of them reunited) Android 18 is stronger than SSJ vegita, but not stronger than trunks + vegita (as 17 comes in to help). Concretely we have 2 androids stronger than Z warriors : piccolo trunks vegeta and T-han. They are actually on equal ground with an “adult” SSJ but their stamina just doesn’t drop. Then you have kamiccolo catching up to SSJ monsters and he’s shown to be on equal ground with 17 (which claims to be the strongest fighter in the world, so maybe stronger than 18 and thus a SSJ). Then you have the fight piccolo and 17 vs cell. Cell is roughly 2 SSJ (and 16 is the same)
After he absorbed 17 he doesn’t fight anyone besides 16 and vegeta. Let’s say 2 SSJ + SSJ infinite ki. Then comes perfect cell: Stronger than supa vegita who was stronger than imperect cell who was stronger than 2 SSJ (piccolo and 17). Power scaling is kinda bullsh*t, but we’re sorta outta option here…If you have better suggestion, feel free to share.
We can guess how much stronger “suppressed perfect cell” is base on vegita’s final flash. A strong technique that you need to charge up should increase your power level by a lot like piccolo’s makkakosappo (1300) against radditz. In that example where PL are still available, the increase was about 3x. But let’s not forget that piccolo was suppressed. So let’s say it’s not stronger than 2x. Supa vegita’s final flash should be around 2x his own max PL who is stronger than imperct cell who is roughly 2SSJ absorbing another SSJ with unlimited ki. Imperfect cell (3SSJ) < supa vegeta AND 2x supa vegita would be MAX power level of suppressed perfect cell
(suppressed because when he fought goku, he was a little more serious)
suppressed perfect cell should be around 6 SSJ OR LESS. Now FPSSJ goku should be around that level too OR WEAKER.
The power level should jump to 150 000 000 x 6 = 900 000 000
NOTE: gohan is as strong as perfect cell. When cell goes serious against Gohan, at least with speed. Gohan surpass perfect cell. The reason why he’s not winning is that he is seemed to be a passive hippie. Funny that when you anger him, he becomes a sadist *ss…

Ignoring all that, I will just give it a 2x multiplier. It’s being ridiculously low since a saga power level evolution should be as fast as saiyen-freeza saga, and that there are some kind of evidences that it’s more… You can feel that it’s stronger, but you have no actual number to prove it.
So I have goku’s prime right before last chapter of dragon ball (cause he trained while timeskip…how should we know how hard? But considering it’s goku, pretty hard I assume):
Base : 6 009 003 (this number is from above)
SSJ : 300 450 150
FPSJJ : 600 000 000 (It’s non official, but it can explain that goku got stronger during android saga)
SSJ2 : 1 200 000 000
SSJ3 : 4 800 000 000
GT beginning : (note : no change in ki when he turns into a kid, but in muscle power to support ki, he will eventually get more muscular to support his ki again)
Normal : 4 800 000 000
=> 5 zenkais let’s say x10 each (his best zenkai was x33,33) : 480 000 000 000 000
=> SSJ4 (x50 x2 non officialx2 x4 x10 = x 8000) : 3 840 000 000 000 000 000
This is my prime goku in which they should have used in death battle. A lot stronger than your average farmer lol
This power level can endure 1,6384 x 10^18 times earth’s gravity.

If I steal the idea of death battle in calculating goku’s traveling speed, it should be a little bit faster than light speed… A little … hell it should be considered as instantaneous! Just look at the (hypothetical) traveling speed! That’s not even combat speed! heck it's not even sprinting speed... If the best runner on earth runs at about 50 km/h, the fastest kick is at least at 200 km/h! And he doesn’t even run at 50km/h I’d say, since those numbers are not from the same guy

Their way of calculating goku’s strength… It was so random but it fits later in GT so I don’t know. Were they lazy? I may sound arrogant to correct Akira Toriyama himself, but the guy admitted defeat against math and numbers! So the numbers he threw after all the power level thingy are for me irrelevant (actually 40 tons was the only number, that shows how much he hated numbers…)
Now all there is to do if you want to know how much goku can bench press (which is ridiculous, because he strikes way harder than he can lift)
There should be a correlation between the gravity you can endure, and the weight you can lift. If you trained as a martial artist on earth, you should be able to lift a certain number of kilos. I won’t give any number because it’s tricky. Goku was no normal fighter and could probably lift more than 100 kg on earth without bench press training (remember that he trains with weighted clothing at 100kg, so the numbers should be even higher). Now he should be able to endure 10^18x earth gravity no problem in his prime and SSJ4, so he should be able to lift about 100 kg in that gravity in SSJ4. We don’t know actually, he never bench presses. 10^20 kg is 10^17 tons.
He never actually shows that kind of feat. But you can see why some people feel that goku is extremely strong, or rather should be extremely strong.
Akira Toriyama isn’t consistent because he intended the story to end after freeza saga, and later cell saga.

Things I want to add:
- no ssj decreasing multiplier: the example of yakon was 800 kili versus Goku 3000 kili. You can explain with that goku was fighting, not at 100% base power level, but was suppressed against yakon. Then he transformed into SSJ and even lowered his base power level. 3000 / 50 = 70 kili is his most suppressed level in base form.
- power level IS proportional to speed, amount of damage you can receive or give. A farmer should be able to destroy mountains? It’s just that someone of a power level of 5 needs his 5 power level to stay alive. After certain training, you can use Ki blast which drains your ki (obviously, Goku gets more hungry the more kamehameha he fires). So up to a certain power level, you shouldn’t attempt to ki blast away your life energy. After that point however, everything should be linear. Why akira toriyama would invent such a difficult way of measuring strength while he’s no good at math?
Now I’m not insulting akira toriyama, he’s obviously smarter than all of us, since creativity is part of intelligence.
- Vegeta and other geniuses :
Vegeta didn’t need goku’s training to learn ki sensing, and ki suppressing. He learned it by watching it. Pretty awesome if you ask me. Other genius like goku ? Kamehameha after the first try? Cell (cheater, has got everyone’s cells, so no wonder he can master any techniques). Buu: he used vegita’s move against goku, copied kibitoshin’s teleportation technique, mimique goku’s kamehameha (well not too hard since everybody was able to use that technique).
Genius can mimique easily, but other kind of genius are those who comes up with the techniques : master roshi KHH, goku’s monkey (still a mimicry but well…), his FPSSJ, warp KHH, KHH bait agains freeza without ki sensing, gohan’s SSJ2 (yeah that counts, mirai gohan got destroyed with much more time for his training) gotenks was THE master in this field with all his technique (child’s got imagination). So the more imagination you have, the easier you can adapt against enemies.
I think that goku and vegita are on equal ground, kid buu has more talent than them, and all the other characters (except villains) are below our heroes.

Sorry for the long post, I hope you enjoyed it. I believe that's what should have been included in their analysis. what do you guys think?
(be indulgent with my english since it's not my first language, but DO correct me)

[JP6GAMER]

On a official webcam-livechat of Goku vs Superman with Ben, MasakoX, ITSJUSTSOMERANDOMGUY, Derek Pedula, Steve Younis (Webmaster of the Superman Homepage) and Jordan Lange was stated that Kanzenshuu declined to take part. Can I get an official statement why you didn't take part?

[VegettoEX]

Why do you need an "official statement"...?

We didn't. That's all. None of us were around, and we didn't have anything to add. We didn't make the video; we just provided a bunch of documentation.

[JP6GAMER]

I just thought official statement sounded cooler...

I only wanted to know why not and thought it would have been cooler if you were there.

[dbzfan7]

On a official webcam-livechat of Goku vs Superman with Ben, MasakoX, ITSJUSTSOMERANDOMGUY, Derek Pedula, Steve Younis (Webmaster of the Superman Homepage) and Jordan Lange was stated that Kanzenshuu declined to take part. Can I get an official statement why you didn't take part?

When was this. Might not get to watch it so what did they talk about.

[JP6GAMER]

Here is the link, it's not live anymore. I couldn't watch the whole video, but I will probably do it tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns6POKq2XzY&

[TheMightyOzaru]

@yakonojo. Well the gravity formula isn't solely reliable to begin with. If they were going off Gravity alone Goku's level would be 468,800. Gravity alone will not give you an accurate result since Ki keeps increasing regardless of whether you are training under heavy gravity or not. Basically what we have to do is take 3,000,000 and give it whatever increases he gets in the android arc then give it whatever increases he gets within the 7 years. Thats what we get for his Buu saga base level. Then we take whatever increases he gets within those 10 years before the Budokai and whatever that level is we take the SSJ multipliers and that would be Goku's SSJ4 level. I personally have his base level at 36,000,000,000 by the very end of Z. Now if we take Screwattacks idea that Goku can take roughly 657 quadrillion megatons at Kaioken x4 in the Saiyan saga, his maximum output should be roughly 2.88 Octillion Megatons. Now I don't think Megaton output scales linearlly for obvious reasons. Case in point, Vegeta can do something that would require more than 1,000x as much Ki with just 100x as much Ki as Master Roshi.(Moon: 30 Trillion Megatons, Earth: 53 Qadrillion Megatons, difference: greater than 1,000x) I go by a system where for every 4x increase in power level there is a 8x increase in Megaton output. This means Goku's end output is a over 100 Nonillion megatons of force. Now thats just me. Some people have Goku barely at 100 million by the end of Z.

[yakonojo]

That's what I'm saying, gravity isn't reliable if there's the same gravity on kai's planet. Maybe the author thought it was obvious and didn't tell it in the story. He maybe expected that the team that did the filler to do it for him.
But there is a moment when gravity matches perfectly with power level, don't you agree?
500 peak 900 on earth
5000 peak 8000 on earth post 10x
60 000 peak 90 000 on namek after 100x
Then he stopped talking about gravity AND power level. But if you put it in a graphic, that is pretty linear.

There isn't else that you could use to judge someone's strength in DBZ. physics? we should try to understand how Akira Toriyama's physics works first: lightspeed = instantaneous (when the moon explode, it was the same panel), gravity applies on a set area with the same magnitude (goku approaches king kai's planet and doesn't feel any gravity up to the point where he reaches let's say 10 meters (he should have felt some kind of switch of gravity from at least 10km, from where you couldn't see goku and the planet in the same panel)...

there are several times where DBZ characters take on attacks far stronger than they can do. It's always like that in shonen...it's all about surpassing someone who's a little/lot stronger than you. So I don't know about that law of physic? I didn't look too much into it actually but if you say it doesn't scale linearly, I believe you

So my point is, when you see the numbers above that are linear, you can say:
"the more gravity you train at, the stronger you get. Hence, the stronger you get, the more gravity you should be able to train at."
The zenkai he got from freeza saga should have made him able to withstand 1343x earth gravity. But DBZ was inteded to end at that moment. The author reluctantly continued his work abandoning what he hated most in DBZ: numbers.

If he was good with physics, the show would have been more like DBM (dragon ball multiverse) with application of physics law explained by characters who supposedly would have at least basic understanding of it. There is no direct spectator of their fights who knows science. Bulma never explain their battle or anything because it defies physics!

[Hellspawn28]

Ben said they plan to do a Death Battle that is bigger than Son Goku vs Superman!

On twitter, Godzilla vs. Gamera could be next. I love all of the comments on facebook that will post crap like "Godzilla is so gay" and "No! Do a real death battle like Kirby vs Majin Buu" . Amazing how people will post ideas for matches that will be super one sided.

[CaBrPi]

Hah. Hahaha. Hahahahahaha! Bigger, get it?

Sorry, that legitimately made me laugh.

[dbzfan7]

I still await the true battle to end all battles.

WIZ VS BOOMSTICK

Comedy gold I tell ya.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Ben said they plan to do a Death Battle that is bigger than Son Goku vs Superman!

On twitter, Godzilla vs. Gamera could be next. I love all of the comments on facebook that will post crap like "Godzilla is so gay" and "No! Do a real death battle like Kirby vs Majin Buu" . Amazing how people will post ideas for matches that will be super one sided.

The request I hate seeing the most is Goku vs Naruto . Goku would stomp without so much as lifting a finger. A good fight would be Jiraiya vs Master Roshi.

[Hellspawn28]

I also see people request stuff like "Krillin vs. Agent 47". I feel like most people don't know how one sided these fights are when they request them.

[songohan619]

Hmmmm...
What about Yamcha VS Rock Lee?

[mysticboy]

I also see people request stuff like "Krillin vs. Agent 47". I feel like most people don't know how one sided these fights are when they request them.

When people request something like that, literally 11 out of 10 times, they're joking.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hmmmm...
What about Yamcha VS Rock Lee?

Which time frame of Yamcha? If its Yamcha in his prime, Yamcha stomps.

[SylentEcho]

Why do you need an "official statement"...?

We didn't. That's all. None of us were around, and we didn't have anything to add. We didn't make the video; we just provided a bunch of documentation.

Okay VegettoEX, check this out:

They're taking All Star Superman into account which isn't canon to Post-Crisis Supes. He's a take on the Silver Age Superman whose powers were crazy and were being made up issue after issue. Grant Morrisson himself stated that it's like an Elseworld's story and isn't part of any series made before. Also, they base their assumptions on base Goku from the Saiya-jin arc which is really unfair because that was the start of DBZ, why not take base Goku from the Majin arcs? Where his power is at the very least 1000x times his power at the Saiya-jin arc?

This video was extremely biased towards Superman. I'm a huge Superman fan, but anybody can clearly see that Goku can blow up a planet into nothingness, whereas Superman can't. Okay, but that's ki, so let's take physical attacks into account.

As far as physical attacks are concerned, when the Z characters fight, the force from each blow breaks mountains and destroys buildings around them (Saiya-jin, but mostly Freeza arc). This happened to Superman when he fought Doomsday as well. The ground shook a little and glass shattered in the buildings around them, but you know what? Superman got exhausted and died from that battle. The battle lasted for just a short while and he was dead. This would never happen to Goku. The Z fighters (like Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo) can easily tank such hits and still not even raise their ki to it's maximum and go on fighting endlessly.

I think you guys should contact them and tell them something about all this.