Even if Super Vegetto is weaker than a Super Saiyan 4 (Goku), they said perhaps, so this implies that they are not far in power.Saiga wrote:But he's not, so he doesn't.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Super Vegetto is said to be perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4, so he should be able to crush Rild on any form.Saiga wrote:Actually, silly me, I didn't take SS2 or SS3 into consideration for Vegetto. Hmm... I guess he'd beat Ledgic, and maybe base Rilld.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yeah, keep telling that to yourself.Saiga wrote: But he's not, so he doesn't.
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It doesn't mean jack shit though.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Even if Super Vegetto is weaker than a Super Saiyan 4 (Goku), they said perhaps, so this implies that they are not far in power.
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It wouldn't mean jack shit if it wasn't mentioned that Vegetto is so strong that perhaps he's even stronger than a SSJ4. It's nothing but an implication that they're at least close in power. If you think otherwise, that's OK. But don't go around saying "it doesn't mean jack shit" when it may very well DO, according to others.
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I honestly don't see how you come to the conclusion that Super Vegetto is weaker than FPSSJ Kid Goku =/. His base form is stronger than Kid Buu, SSJ would not boost him to Super Vegetto's level.
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Because in the anime, Kid Boo is the strongest form of Boo. GT Goku is stronger than Vegetto.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I honestly don't see how you come to the conclusion that Super Vegetto is weaker than FPSSJ Kid Goku =/. His base form is stronger than Kid Buu, SSJ would not boost him to Super Vegetto's level.
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Base Vegetto can be stronger than Pure Boo (anime) as well. The anime also probably boosted base Vegetto in the anime, and we never saw how strong Vegetto really is. So, base Vegetto can easily be stronger than GT SS Goku.Saiga wrote:Because in the anime, Kid Boo is the strongest form of Boo. GT Goku is stronger than Vegetto.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I honestly don't see how you come to the conclusion that Super Vegetto is weaker than FPSSJ Kid Goku =/. His base form is stronger than Kid Buu, SSJ would not boost him to Super Vegetto's level.
Not to mention that you are taking the anime lines way too seriously. The line that SS3 Goku & Ultimate Gohan aren't strong enough to beat Gotenks Boo is still there, and Vegetto can't be weaker than Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yeah, but that is retconned by Pure Boo being the strongest Boo and Goku being able to beat him. Vegetto needed Super Saiyan against Gohan-Boo even with the buff, he's firmly below base Goku.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Base Vegetto can be stronger than Pure Boo (anime) as well. The anime also probably boosted base Vegetto in the anime, and we never saw how strong Vegetto really is. So, base Vegetto can easily be stronger than GT SS Goku.
Not to mention that you are taking the anime lines way too seriously. The line that SS3 Goku & Ultimate Gohan aren't strong enough to beat Gotenks Boo is still there, and Vegetto can't be weaker than Goku.
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It wasn't a retcon, it was an error.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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You know what's an error? The statement that Vegetto might possibly be stronger than a Super Saiyan 4.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It wasn't a retcon, it was an error.
'Cause he's not.
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Your opinion. Nothing contradicts Super Vegetto being slightly stronger, equal, or slightly weaker than a Super Saiyan 4.Saiga wrote:You know what's an error? The statement that Vegetto might possibly be stronger than a Super Saiyan 4.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It wasn't a retcon, it was an error.
'Cause he's not.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Super Baby Vegeta 2 is stated to be the strongest ki Goku ever felt, take it as you will.
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It's not like he could have felt his own ki; no less, as not himself.
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Like I mentioned before, one's own self isn't always included in that statement. Just look at Movie 12; Goku likewise pulled the "ain't never felt a ki as amazin' as that" line about Janemba... then proceeded to absolutely and easily waste Janemba's chubby gigantic ass with Super Saiyan 3.
Likewise, Goku was Vegetto. Thus even if Goku was aware of how strong he and Vegeta were when combined, Super Vegetto's power likely wouldn't count towards comparisons of people Goku's faced.
Likewise, Goku was Vegetto. Thus even if Goku was aware of how strong he and Vegeta were when combined, Super Vegetto's power likely wouldn't count towards comparisons of people Goku's faced.
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K lets say Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. The SEG states that Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta. Now lets take your power level for Kid Buu, 1,000,000,000,000. Now lets take your power levels for base Goku and Vegeta, 80,000,000 and 64,000,000, and multiply them together. 80,000,000 x 64,000,000 = 5,120,000,000,000,000. Vegetto is 5,120x stronger than your level for Kid Buu. Now lets make Vegetto a SSJ. 5,120,000,000,000,000 x 50 = 256,000,000,000,000,000. That's 256,000x stronger than Kid Buu. Now I can assure you that Goku is no more than 100x stronger than Kid Buu, and thats obviously being generous. Goku's base level in GT at max is 100,000,000,000,000 according to your levels. Now lets make Goku a SSJ. 100,000,000,000,000 x 50 = 5,000,000,000,000,000. Base Vegetto > SSJ Kid GT Goku. I should also point out that Goku's statement about Kid Buu doesn't have to be taken seriously.Saiga wrote:Because in the anime, Kid Boo is the strongest form of Boo. GT Goku is stronger than Vegetto.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I honestly don't see how you come to the conclusion that Super Vegetto is weaker than FPSSJ Kid Goku =/. His base form is stronger than Kid Buu, SSJ would not boost him to Super Vegetto's level.
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He doesn't believe Vegetto = Goku × Vegeta to be literal. Or at least that it uses battle power units, anyway.
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I don't see why its hard to accept Vegetto being that strong. The SEG flat out states that Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto. Well battle power units measure Ki and the only thing that matters in a fight is Ki so I would imagine it uses battle power.hleV wrote:He doesn't believe Vegetto = Goku × Vegeta to be literal. Or at least that it uses battle power units, anyway.
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The thing is, what does the "x" means? Goku times Vegeta, or Goku cross Vegeta? I choose the second.TheMightyOzaru wrote:The SEG flat out states that Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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The SEG also states that Vegetto is as tremendous as multiplication. It would appear that its Goku times Vegeta.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The thing is, what does the "x" means? Goku times Vegeta, or Goku cross Vegeta? I choose the second.TheMightyOzaru wrote:The SEG flat out states that Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto
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