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by hleV » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:53 am
Herms wrote:
Neko Majin's world is described as an "uncivilized world in the same era and on the same Earth as 'Dragon Ball'".
So, pretty much "DB & NM co-exist" (the same way you & me co-exist)? Or did I misunderstood?
Episode of Bardock is called a spin-off.
A spin-off... Is it possible that it means "didn't really happen in the original manga universe"?
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:40 am
Thanks a lot
Herms!
So, Dragon Ball (Kanzenban), Dr. Slump, Neko Majin, Episode of Bardock, and Battle of Gods take place in the same world, right?
Maybe the Makaioshin are the Hakaishin, while the Makaio are their attendants?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:29 am
Fox666 wrote:hleV wrote:So, pretty much "DB & NM co-exist" (the same way you & me co-exist)? Or did I misunderstood?
I think it is a way of saying "crazy stuff happening in a place that looks just like Dragon Ball world".
Nope.
"uncivilized world in the same era and on the same Earth as 'Dragon Ball'"
And as for Dr. Slump:
This is said to take place in the "miracle world" of Penguin Village, located far to the east of Kame House, which is also where Goku had previously fought the RR.
Chozenshuu clearly places all 3 manga (Dr. Slump, Dragon Ball, Neko Majin) in the same world.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by bleed0range » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:58 pm
We could already infer Neko Majin takes place in the same world as DB with the guest appearances of Vegeta, etc... But it was a gag manga so I find it hard to believe it would technically be considered canon to the normal series.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:16 pm
bleed0range wrote:We could already infer Neko Majin takes place in the same world as DB with the guest appearances of Vegeta, etc... But it was a gag manga so I find it hard to believe it would technically be considered canon to the normal series.
Shueisha seems to consider it canon, but you don't have to take seriously what we see because it's a gag manga. Like most of the fans don't take seriously that Tonijinka can breath in the moon, since it was also a gag.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by JeffJarrett » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:53 pm
The only problem in Nekomajin is that Vegeta still works for Frieza (and Frieza seems still alive since he's the one sent Vegeta to help Kuriza, or he contacted Vegeta from Hell?!).
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:04 pm
Like I said, it's a gag. It happened, but didn't seriously happened.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by hleV » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:23 pm
Or it didn't happen...
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by CaBrPi » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:17 pm
I don't think that Bils being a Hakaishin necessarily means that the Makaioshin have been retconned. If you think about it, Bils isn't necessarily evil, per se. He's just got a job that makes everyone hate him. We know for sure that the Makaioshin are evil, though.
Just a thought, nothing serious. It's also possible that the Makaioshin really have been retconned.
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by JeffJarrett » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:27 pm
I still think that if Sozoshin = Kaioshin, Hakaishin = Makiaoshin
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by Wobbuffet » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:29 pm
Freeza is actually dead in Nekomajin. Vegeta just pretends to be working for him beacuse he's a nice guy and doesn't want Kreeza to know the sad truth about his dad.
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by Raykugen » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:50 pm
Wobbuffet wrote:Freeza is actually dead in Nekomajin. Vegeta just pretends to be working for him beacuse he's a nice guy and doesn't want Kreeza to know the sad truth about his dad.
Cool story bro
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by Saiga » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:31 pm
Yeah, it's impossible for Neko Majin to take place in the same continuity as the manga. Same world, maybe. But the movies also take place in the same world.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:34 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Thanks a lot
Herms!
So, Dragon Ball (Kanzenban), Dr. Slump, Neko Majin, Episode of Bardock, and Battle of Gods take place in the same world, right?
Maybe the Makaioshin are the Hakaishin, while the Makaio are their attendants?
Episode of Bardock better not be canon, that movie was terrible.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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by Tanooki Kuribo » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:13 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Thanks a lot
Herms!
So, Dragon Ball (Kanzenban), Dr. Slump, Neko Majin, Episode of Bardock, and Battle of Gods take place in the same world, right?
Maybe the Makaioshin are the Hakaishin, while the Makaio are their attendants?
Episode of Bardock better not be canon, that movie was terrible.
Isn't anything officially released canon?
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by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:16 am
Canon is determined by the fanbase. Obviously the manga is the base for our decisions but as a whole if you feel GT should be canon then its canon to you, if you feel it shouldn't be canon then its non canon to you.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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by CaBrPi » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:28 am
Then why are you freaking out over whether it's canon or not?
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by bleed0range » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:59 am
Just out of curiosity... where can one buy this to be shipped to the US?
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:27 am
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Canon is determined by the fanbase. Obviously the manga is the base for our decisions but as a whole if you feel GT should be canon then its canon to you, if you feel it shouldn't be canon then its non canon to you.
Daizenshuu 2 & 4/Chozenshuu 1 are purely manga based guides, yet the Chozenshuu included Dr. Slump, Neko Majin, Episode of Bardock, Battle of Gods, and the Kanzenban ending. Which means that Shueisha considers them happening in the same word as the manga.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
