A question regarding FPSSJ.

[zongetsu]

I only came to this site to ask this question(s) so I hope you guys can answer my question.

I understand that SSJ is a 50 multiplier of the user's base power. It is confirmed by the Daizenshuu and some interview with Akira Toriyama apparently.

My question is, once a saiyan has mastered the FPSSJ form, will the form's initial battle power be the same as the user's base?

For instance, had Goku had this form on namek his base would be 3 million.

When he turned FPSSJ his battle power would still be 3 million, HOWEVER, because he was a FFSSJ he could utilize all of the power between 3 million and 150 million.

This works to conserve his power as he is not always putting out power and just like his base he is able to rapidly change his battle power with no ill effects.

This is seen when he fights the Ginyu force. They believe he has a power level of 5000, yet in quick bursts he was actually using his "full power" of 90,000. And unlike the Kaio-ken it has no ill effects and he can use it continuously as the force has in a sense become his base.

This form was not to increase output, but conserve energy as stated by Goku. The normal SSJ form according to him is the most balanced of the SSJ branch and would not cause them to lose speed due to heavy muscles.

I don't believe the SSJ multiplier ever dropped. Some people believe that it had. This becomes questionable when in the Buu saga FPSSJ Goku's power is measured by Babidi resulting in a Kili reading of 3,000. This results in a battle power of 150 million as 1 kili = 50,000 BP.

Does this make Goku's base power in the Buu saga 150 million? I think its totally plausible and if what I have written above is true, we have a real reading of Goku's power. Totally possible considering like 10 years passed from Namek to Buu.

What do you think?

[Bussani]

That's more or less how I look at it. The only difference is that I think Goku could potentially make his power even smaller than 3,000,000, even as a Super Saiyan. I don't know if it's possible for them to completely erase their presence as a Super Saiyan, but I've never thought there was a set number they couldn't dip below, either.

I don't believe the SSJ multiplier ever dropped. Some people believe that it had. This becomes questionable when in the Buu saga FPSSJ Goku's power is measured by Babidi resulting in a Kili reading of 3,000. This results in a battle power of 150 million as 1 kili = 50,000 BP.

Does this make Goku's base power in the Buu saga 150 million? I think its totally plausible and if what I have written above is true, we have a real reading of Goku's power. Totally possible considering like 10 years passed from Namek to Buu.

Goku became stronger after Namek, didn't he? If so, I'm not so sure about the idea of one kiri being a battle power of 50,000. Plus, like you said, Goku could control his power at that point, so there's no way of knowing if 3,000 was his full power.

I also like the idea that kiri could be a logarithmic scale, similar to decibels. That way, the difference between 800 kiri and 3,000 kiri might be bigger than just 3.75 times.

[zongetsu]

No. I'm sure it say's somewhere in the Daizenshuu that the 1 Kili = 50,000 BP and that it takes 200-300 kili to blow up a planet. Not 100% sure as I do not own the Daizenshuu volumes myself. I got this information from a online friend.

And then you have to define, "blow up a planet". Like enough energy to shoot to the core and blow the planet up? You know like namek? Or to completely incinerate it like Buu did?

Freeza was perfectly capable of blowing up Namek but didn't because he still wanted to fight Goku. It was a safe guard incase he did fail. Easy evidence is him blowing up planet Vegeta which had 10x the gravity in his first form. It's not inconsistent.

It is plausible that they can drop their FPSSJ battle power because they can drop their base power to incredibly small increments. Future Trunks vs Mecha Freeza dropped his power to 5. But you know? Just trying to get a grip on Goku's actual power because a lot of people seem to be very very very wrong.

[Bussani]

No. I'm sure it say's somewhere in the Daizenshuu that the 1 Kili = 50,000 BP and that it takes 200-300 kili to blow up a planet. Not 100% sure as I do not own the Daizenshuu volumes myself. I got this information from a online friend.

The "1 kiri = 50,000 BP" thing was from an issue of V-Jump. I don't take it very seriously, personally, since it seems like they just used Goku's battle power from Namek without taking into consideration that he got stronger. The thing about taking 200-300 kiri to blow up a planet was something the anime added, although Daizenshuu 7 does make reference to it.

Freeza was perfectly capable of blowing up Namek but didn't because he still wanted to fight Goku. It was a safe guard incase he did fail. Easy evidence is him blowing up planet Vegeta which had 10x the gravity in his first form.

In the story, both Goku and Freeza do say that he held his power back (Goku adding that it was because Freeza was afraid of getting caught in the blast himself), so yeah, it seems like Freeza was perfectly capable of blowing up the planet in one shot if he'd put more effort into it.

[zongetsu]

I don't trust the information from V-jump either

Seriously, SSJ Gogeta with a BP of 2.5 million only?

Sketchy, but alrighty thanks for clearing that up.

[JeffJarrett]

I don't trust the information from V-jump either

Seriously, SSJ Gogeta with a BP of 2.5 million only?

Super Gogeta's power level is 2.5 billion (2,500,000,000) in V-Jump.