Dabura >=< Perfect Cell(Not Super Perfect)?

[Kaboom]

Yeah, that's not how we really saw things progress. Dabra quit as soon as he realized Vegeta would make a good lackey candidate.

[TheMightyOzaru]

And what Dabura can't have fun doing it? I already brought up the point about studying Vegeta to see whether he would make a good lacky. I'm sticking to my theory because it makes sense.

[Victorious]

Full Power Perfect Cell would probably leave MSSJ Kid Gohan a broken heap in one shot.
At some point Cell said he would go all out, at least in speed, and Gohan could still keep up with him. So I don't think there was much of a difference beetween them.

Yeah that was before Cell's massive power up to go full power.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

Dabra is as strong as Cell with his Majin power up. We don't know how strong he was before then.

And Goku said "I guess they're about the same", implying range. For all we know, Cell could've been 15% stronger than Dabra, which is enough to make a difference in a fight, but not by much.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Honestly I think the majin power up made him twice as strong as he was before

[Fox666]

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[DBZGTKOSDH]

And what Dabura can't have fun doing it? I already brought up the point about studying Vegeta to see whether he would make a good lacky. I'm sticking to my theory because it makes sense.

Dabra couldn't cause any damage to Gohan. Even his ki blast that destroyed Gohan's clothes didn't cause even the tiniest damage to Gohan, and Gohan could hold & break Dabra's sword when Dabra attacked him. Maybe Dabra wasn't entirely serious, but even if he was, I don't see it making a very big difference.

[TheMightyOzaru]

And what Dabura can't have fun doing it? I already brought up the point about studying Vegeta to see whether he would make a good lacky. I'm sticking to my theory because it makes sense.

Dabra couldn't cause any damage to Gohan. Even his ki blast that destroyed Gohan's clothes didn't cause even the tiniest damage to Gohan, and Gohan could hold & break Dabra's sword when Dabra attacked him. Maybe Dabra wasn't entirely serious, but even if he was, I don't see it making a very big difference.

Again Dabura is holding back. The thing is, why would Dabura want Gohan dead with that attack? The longer he keeps him alive the more energy he can steal. That aside though, if you notice Dabura takes an interest in Vegeta directly after the attack Dabura used on Gohan. He can tell he is impatient but he cannot tell if he is evil. Therefore he decided to stall and see whether or not he would make a good candidate for possession. This theory is no more ridiculous than anything else people have been coming up with. BTW SSJG3 Trunks was able to hit Cell quite a few times and Cell made it look like they were equals until Cell got bored with him. Cell is more than twice as strong as SSJG3 Trunks at full power...

[Son_Gohan]

Again Dabura is holding back. The thing is, why would Dabura want Gohan dead with that attack? The longer he keeps him alive the more energy he can steal. That aside though, if you notice Dabura takes an interest in Vegeta directly after the attack Dabura used on Gohan. He can tell he is impatient but he cannot tell if he is evil. Therefore he decided to stall and see whether or not he would make a good candidate for possession.

I'm not sure if you're going by the anime, but in the manga Dabura actually starts using more deadly force after he noticed Vegeta getting impatient, contrary to stalling the match.

[Fox666]

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[TheMightyOzaru]

What the spit? I myself think that's strange in general because its completely counterproductive. Turning him to stone won't fuel Majin Buu so I'm not sure what he was thinking. I guess he could known he would have dodged it because in the manga he didn't look disappointed at all when it failed. In actuality, however, after that evil impulse attack, which actually did damage Gohan, He doesn't do anymore damage despite using more "threatening" methods of attack.

BTW SSJG3 Trunks was able to hit Cell quite a few times and Cell made it look like they were equals until Cell got bored with him. Cell is more than twice as strong as SSJG3 Trunks at full power...

Not necessarily, in the Grade III case the problem was the speed. It wasn't necessarily less than half of Cell strength.

Umm yes necessarily, FPSSJ Goku at about half of his power already impressed Trunks and scared Vegeta shitless. Perfect Cell is easily more than twice as strong as SSJG3 Trunks.

[Son_Gohan]

What the spit? I myself think that's strange in general because its completely counterproductive. Turning him to stone won't fuel Majin Buu so I'm not sure what he was thinking. I guess he could known he would have dodged it because in the manga he didn't look disappointed at all when it failed. In actuality, however, after that evil impulse attack, which actually did damage Gohan, He doesn't do anymore damage despite using more "threatening" methods of attack.

Well the fact that he attempts to cleave Gohan with a sword immediately following his stone spit, and was clearly exerting effort in the ensuing struggle wouldn't tend to suggest that he was deliberately holding back. I think after witnessing Gohan withstand his attack head-on without much damage to show for it and apparently being unable to stand up to him in hand-to-hand combat, taking Gohan out of the picture became the only option for him at that point.

[TheMightyOzaru]

What the spit? I myself think that's strange in general because its completely counterproductive. Turning him to stone won't fuel Majin Buu so I'm not sure what he was thinking. I guess he could known he would have dodged it because in the manga he didn't look disappointed at all when it failed. In actuality, however, after that evil impulse attack, which actually did damage Gohan, He doesn't do anymore damage despite using more "threatening" methods of attack.

Well the fact that he attempts to cleave Gohan with a sword immediately following his stone spit, and was clearly exerting effort in the ensuing struggle wouldn't tend to suggest that he was deliberately holding back. I think after witnessing Gohan withstand his attack head-on without much damage to show for it and apparently being unable to stand up to him in hand-to-hand combat, taking Gohan out of the picture became the only option for him at that point.

Perfect Cell struggled with FPSSJ Goku and yet we all know Cell is much stronger than FPSSJ Goku. I'm sorry but Goku stating that he is around Cell's level and turns around and says he was stronger than he thought leads to me to believe Dabura at full power is stronger than Perfect Cell. FPSSJ Adolescent Gohan =/= Perfect Cell+. Yeah he could be just around Gohan and Goku could just be talking out his ass, or referring to any time frame of Cell but it just makes sense for Goku to be referring to perfect Cell.

[Son_Gohan]

Dabura had knowledge of Goku's power as a Super Saiyan, yet was still confident enough to invite the four of them to attack him at all once. In that light, I can see Dabura being significantly stronger than the Perfect Cell that fought Goku. I just disagree with you that he was holding back against Gohan, based on his actions.

[Fox666]

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[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku said he was probably about as strong as Cell, this means he thinks he is that strong. Later he says he is stronger than he thought meaning he is stronger than the about as strong as perfect Cell. I'm fine with Dabura being relatively on par with FPSSJ Gohan but I would like some strong evidence for that. Dabura could be very easily be holding back. Dabura does refer to Gohan as trash the when they are about to fight a second time. Cocky? Maybe but that doesn't have to be the case.

[Victorious]

Dabura had knowledge of Goku's power as a Super Saiyan, yet was still confident enough to invite the four of them to attack him at all once. In that light, I can see Dabura being significantly stronger than the Perfect Cell that fought Goku. I just disagree with you that he was holding back against Gohan, based on his actions.

Goku was suppressed as a Super Saiyan against Yakkon.

Yakkon = 800 kilis, SSJ Goku = 3,000.

base Goku was at least rivalling Yakkon.

SSJ Goku [full power] >>> Dabura ~ SSJ Teen Gohan >>> SSJ suppressed Goku = 3,000 kilis

[Son_Gohan]

Goku was suppressed as a Super Saiyan against Yakkon.

Yakkon = 800 kilis, SSJ Goku = 3,000.

base Goku was at least rivalling Yakkon.

SSJ Goku [full power] >>> Dabura ~ SSJ Teen Gohan >>> SSJ suppressed Goku = 3,000 kilis

It's well observed by then that suppressed Super Saiyans are taken to not have an aura. Goku's motive for transforming was to create light, and that comes with a higher power output, naturally. So suppressing would only defeat the whole purpose.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I really don't see how you come to the conclusion that a suppressed ssj can't emit light =/. You would have to assume Goku's Kiri level is 60 if he wasn't suppressed and that's obviously BS.

[Son_Gohan]

In Goku's fight with Cell, his aura became visible only after bringing his power to its maximum. And I don't have to assume that.