Dabura >=< Perfect Cell(Not Super Perfect)?

[TheMightyOzaru]

In Goku's fight with Cell, his aura became visible only after bringing his power to its maximum. And I don't have to assume that.

His aura shows while flying and he had no reason to show it prior to powering up. It's ultimately a pointless accusation. Well 3000\50 is 60 so you kinda do have to believe that. I also think Gohan was suppressed against Goten yet his aura showed. Cell also showed aura against Trunks and he wasn't anywhere close to full power.

[Son_Gohan]

His aura shows while flying and he had no reason to show it prior to powering up. It's ultimately a pointless accusation. Well 3000\50 is 60 so you kinda do have to believe that. I also think Gohan was suppressed against Goten yet his aura showed. Cell also showed aura against Trunks and he wasn't anywhere close to full power.

It doesn't show when he started fighting Cell (unless you can provide some shot that I am missing) and the apparent reason it wouldn't is because his ki is not at the level where it would be exhibited; it's not a matter of Goku hiding it on the grounds that it looks cool not to have one. No I don't, since for all we know kiri doesn't have to strictly follow some linear method.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Give me an equation and then I'll take your Kiri non-linearity theory seriously. The point I'm trying to make is that characters have shown aura regardless of being suppressed. It's not a matter of hiding it with Goku, its a matter of this newer form acting as a base form. Goku isn't exerting an aura when is in base all the time yet he can if he wants to. It's no different here. If you can fire a Kamehameha in a suppressed state you can cover your body with an aura. Gohan has done it while training with Goten. If you notice his hair and face are completely different when you compare it to when he was fighting Dabura and when he was training with Goten. It also makes very little sense for Goku to be at full power at the time. I find it very hard to believe that Dabura is stronger than FPSSJ Goku at this time since I think he is much stronger than Perfect Cell by this time as just a SSJ.

[Fox666]

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[Son_Gohan]

Give me an equation and then I'll take your Kiri non-linearity theory seriously. The point I'm trying to make is that characters have shown aura regardless of being suppressed. It's not a matter of hiding it with Goku, its a matter of this newer form acting as a base form. Goku isn't exerting an aura when is in base all the time yet he can if he wants to. It's no different here. If you can fire a Kamehameha in a suppressed state you can cover your body with an aura. Gohan has done it while training with Goten. If you notice his hair and face are completely different when you compare it to when he was fighting Dabura and when he was training with Goten. It also makes very little sense for Goku to be at full power at the time. I find it very hard to believe that Dabura is stronger than FPSSJ Goku at this time since I think he is much stronger than Perfect Cell by this time as just a SSJ.

The numerical value of 50 you used earlier was pertained to battle power, not kiri. If you want to equate the two systems, you'd have to know how to convert between them first rather than simply taking it for granted. Aside from when he uses the Kaio-ken technique or flying, I don't recall Goku displaying a constant aura reflecting the state of his ki while in base form. The Kamehameha is its own technique that has to be continually refined, it is not affixed to the user's strength; you can be strong and still have a relatively weak Kamehameha wave, à la Cell vs. Piccolo. But when looking at the instance independently from everything else, how do you visually interpret that as him being suppressed? I mean I could go into further detail on it, but I really don't feel the need to.

Not really sure what you are talking about, the Super Saiyan have auras all the time. If you want an example of one with an aura before "powering-up":

At the beginning of the arc, Gohan and Goten predominantly had them absent when transformed.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Simple if you can throw Ki you can put it around your body. It's a fairly simple idea. Again I find it near impossible for Dabura to be stronger than FPSSJ Goku at this point in time so he is suppressed. I find it absurd that a suppressed state cannot exert aura even though characters like Cell have done it many a time in the past.

[Son_Gohan]

Simple if you can throw Ki you can put it around your body. It's a fairly simple idea. Again I find it near impossible for Dabura to be stronger than FPSSJ Goku at this point in time so he is suppressed. I find it absurd that a suppressed state cannot exert aura even though characters like Cell have done it many a time in the past.

If it's so simple then you should have no problem providing ample examples for it, making an assertion is not enough. In the actual instance, the fashion in which the aura is drawn should not lead one to believe that he is deliberately suppressing his power, it's much too vibrant; when compared to how his aura is depicted after rupturing Yakon--lacking that same intensity--a stark contrast is given. If Toriyama truly intended for Goku to be suppressed there, then he clearly could've used the weaker aura for that. The entry for FPSSj in D2 even makes note of it having a different aura:

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Regardless of what power chain you've created, I don't find your claim to be evident from the instance alone. It's certainly not "impossible" for Dabura to be stronger at that point, it still makes sense from my perspective. Cell is a different being from the Saiyans, he doesn't even have to rely on transformations.

[GoKu.SaMa]

cell

[VegettoEX]

cell

Cell what? There are six pages of responses. What you are you trying to say and contribute here?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I already gave proof. Cell can put up an aura regardless of being suppressed. If Cell can do it Goku can do it if he wants to. Obviously they don't naturally have auras but let me ask you, why in the world can't a suppressed ssj put up an aura? It just sounds absurd when you consider the fact that SSJ Goku in the Freeza arc constantly has one yet a suppressed SSJ can't willingly put one up to have a little flash light in this case? It also doesn't help that FPSSJ Goku should likely be far stronger than Dubura.

[GoKu.SaMa]

cell

Cell what? There are six pages of responses. What you are you trying to say and contribute here?

Cell is stronger than Dabura.