We don't know how much stronger the Super Kamehameha compared to the normal Kamehameha, or if it's stronger than the Makankosappo, and at that point, the strategy was to use the Makankosappo. Even if Goku were to use the Super Kamehameha, it would most likely do some damage to Raditz, since Piccolo (>400) survived the Super Kamehameha (910). So, the only chance they had to win was the Makankosappo.Saiga wrote:The reason I can't is because the Super Kamehameha should be stronger than the regular Kamehameha, and it makes no sense why he wouldn't try and use it against Raditz. If the regular Kamehameha was 924, I'd think the Super Kamehameha would be comparable to the Makankosappo or something.
The power multiplier of ki attacks
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Re: The power multiplier of ki attacks
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: The power multiplier of ki attacks
DBZGTKOSDH wrote: We don't know how much stronger the Super Kamehameha compared to the normal Kamehameha, or if it's stronger than the Makankosappo, and at that point, the strategy was to use the Makankosappo. Even if Goku were to use the Super Kamehameha, it would most likely do some damage to Raditz, since Piccolo (>400) survived the Super Kamehameha (910). So, the only chance they had to win was the Makankosappo.
I know we don't know how much stronger it is, but it has to be somewhere over 924 if that's Goku's regular Kamehameha. I don't think there would be any point in there even being a distinction if it wasn't much stronger. So, why only use the regular Kamehameha and not the Super Kamehameha? That doesn't make sense to me.
And for the Super Kamehameha to be of an even higher multiplier doesn't really make sense to me when it didn't do much damage to Piccolo.
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Let's just agree that we disagree then. I don't have anything else to say.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The power multiplier of ki attacks
There's no reason Vegeta's scouter wouldnt detect Piccolo's power.Fox666 wrote:He didn't.Victorious wrote:So if it's not an impressive ki then why warn Nappa about it?
Maybe he never actually detected Piccolo's battle power? It seems that Gohan was the only power Vegeta has seen to rise during the battle:Victorious wrote:Not to mention Vegeta had his scouter on once Piccolo sensed Goku, never did he warn Nappa about an incredible battle power from Piccolo.
Vegeta: “Battle power 2,800...!!! So they really do drastically change their battle powers!!”
There's nothing in the manga that implies Piccolo is well over 2,800. Non canon crud is non canon crud. The 3,500 battle power for Piccolo from the Daiz is almost as stupid as Vegeta's 250,000 against 1st form Freeza.
Re: The power multiplier of ki attacks
There actually is; Piccolo's ki blast to Nappa's back did more visible damage than even Chaozu's self-destruct or Tenshinhan's Kikoho, much less Gohan's angry Masenko later. Going by Nappa's reaction to each attack, Piccolo IS portrayed as achieving more than anyone else with that one attack. Consider it shaky logic if you want, but the support and "implication" is there.Victorious wrote:There's nothing in the manga that implies Piccolo is well over 2,800.
I'm not going to go into the inanity of decrying any other guidebook numbers based on little more than fan-determined preconceptions.
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Re: The power multiplier of ki attacks
May I ask where I could see these levels from this guidebook if anyone knows?Victorious wrote:There's no reason Vegeta's scouter wouldnt detect Piccolo's power.Fox666 wrote:He didn't.Victorious wrote:So if it's not an impressive ki then why warn Nappa about it?
Maybe he never actually detected Piccolo's battle power? It seems that Gohan was the only power Vegeta has seen to rise during the battle:Victorious wrote:Not to mention Vegeta had his scouter on once Piccolo sensed Goku, never did he warn Nappa about an incredible battle power from Piccolo.
Vegeta: “Battle power 2,800...!!! So they really do drastically change their battle powers!!”
There's nothing in the manga that implies Piccolo is well over 2,800. Non canon crud is non canon crud. The 3,500 battle power for Piccolo from the Daiz is almost as stupid as Vegeta's 250,000 against 1st form Freeza.
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Re: The power multiplier of ki attacks
Gohan's flying punch that sent Nappa flying into the rocks did more damage than Piccolo's back shot. It opened a gash up on his forehead. Not to mention it made Nappa more pissed too.Kaboom wrote:There actually is; Piccolo's ki blast to Nappa's back did more visible damage than even Chaozu's self-destruct or Tenshinhan's Kikoho, much less Gohan's angry Masenko later. Going by Nappa's reaction to each attack, Piccolo IS portrayed as achieving more than anyone else with that one attack. Consider it shaky logic if you want, but the support and "implication" is there.Victorious wrote:There's nothing in the manga that implies Piccolo is well over 2,800.
I'm not going to go into the inanity of decrying any other guidebook numbers based on little more than fan-determined preconceptions.
Nappa post Piccolo blast = pissed
Napp post Gohan punch = uber pissed.
