Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[GS7X7]

Every single person that's used the word "biased" and says something about the video to me just comes off as a crazy person looking to have me personally validate their sore asshole.

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[Mewzard]

So...Super Saiyan God...anyone want to take bets of a rematch in Death Battle come the movie's release?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So...Super Saiyan God...anyone want to take bets of a rematch in Death Battle come the movie's release?

No, because the result will still be the same. Superman is just too strong.

[Attitudefan]

So...Super Saiyan God...anyone want to take bets of a rematch in Death Battle come the movie's release?

No, because the result will still be the same. Superman is just too strong.

How do you know that?

[JP6GAMER]

Superman is practically limitless!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So...Super Saiyan God...anyone want to take bets of a rematch in Death Battle come the movie's release?

No, because the result will still be the same. Superman is just too strong.

How do you know that?

Now, if you think that the new form will make Goku billions or trillions of times stronger, then I disagree with you.

[JP6GAMER]

Now, if you think that the new form will make Goku billions or trillions of times stronger, then I disagree with you.

But don't forget; the 160'000 tons is his best without ki! So his real best strength is 34.7 sextillion tons.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But don't forget; the 160'000 tons is his best without ki! So his real best strength is 34.7 sextillion tons.

I know. It would still require Goku to get millions or billions of times stronger, which I doubt that it' going to happen.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Well to be honest this is a God form. Super Sonic is a prime example of someone who is mid tier in terms of ability and power but once he goes super he can take on Nigh Omnipotent threats like Enerjak. I wouldn't put the idea that Goku becomes really high tier to bed just yet. Also the calcs death battle used are still irrelevant since they themselves admitted that this is Goku's power based on what we know. Goku is likely stronger than what those calcs suggest. Especially if you think Cell can really bust the sun.

[JP6GAMER]

I still think Goku is one of the closests to the power of Superman, even though he seems weak besides him!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gods aren't that much godly in Dragon Ball.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Gods aren't that much godly in Dragon Ball.

Perhaps that is the case for the lesser Gods like the Kaios and the Kaioshins. Birisu is in a league of his own and from the sound of things he is stronger than Vegetto.

[TonyTheTiger]

The biggest reason why it's unfair to pit anyone against Superman in a straight fist fight is because his durability makes him essentially invincible. Goku just can't generate enough power to kill the guy (and practically nobody who operates within the realm of physical, non-mystical attack power can, either). Even taking away everything else that makes Supes ridiculously strong, there's almost nothing that can outright kill him through just pure power output unless he's severely weakened first, by either kryptonite or some other contrivance. It's really only reality warpers that would be able to beat a fully powered Superman (this would include powerful magic users who can cast spells to simply bypass said durability). So unless this mysterious Super Saiyan God form grants power of that nature (fairly unlikely, I think) there's pretty much nothing that's going to come close to changing the outcome. Whether it's his fists or his ki, as long as Goku's only method of winning a fight involves hitting his opponent very hard, he just can't do enough damage.

If you took all the energy that actually exists in the universe and focused it into an attack aimed directly at a fully charged Superman I wouldn't be surprised if Superman survived. DC hasn't pulled a stunt like that yet, but I wouldn't be surprised. Nor would it be beyond the scope of the Superman mythos for something like that to happen.

That's why this fight is just unfair. Because no matter how powerful somebody is, Superman makes them look pathetic. But look at those numbers for Goku. They're insanely high. He is absurdly powerful and it says a lot that the only way he can look "weak" is to use the Man of Steel for comparison.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The biggest reason why it's unfair to pit anyone against Superman in a straight fist fight is because his durability makes him essentially invincible. Goku just can't generate enough power to kill the guy (and practically nobody who operates within the realm of physical, non-mystical attack power can, either). Even taking away everything else that makes Supes ridiculously strong, there's almost nothing that can outright kill him through just pure power output unless he's severely weakened first, by either kryptonite or some other contrivance. It's really only reality warpers that would be able to beat a fully powered Superman (this would include powerful magic users who can cast spells to simply bypass said durability). So unless this mysterious Super Saiyan God form grants power of that nature (fairly unlikely, I think) there's pretty much nothing that's going to come close to changing the outcome. Whether it's his fists or his ki, as long as Goku's only method of winning a fight involves hitting his opponent very hard, he just can't do enough damage.

If you took all the energy that actually exists in the universe and focused it into an attack aimed directly at a fully charged Superman I wouldn't be surprised if Superman survived. DC hasn't pulled a stunt like that yet, but I wouldn't be surprised. Nor would it be beyond the scope of the Superman mythos for something like that to happen.

His power reflects how much solar energy he has absorbed. He can be killed via traditional methods it's just he has absorbed so much solar energy, you need a f*** ton of energy to kill the guy. If Goku does get some God-like power which resembles that of a Super Mobian, I place my bets on Goku destrolishing Supes.

[TonyTheTiger]

Hard to say. The thing about Superman is that he regularly breaks the laws of physics. He may be charged by the sun but he can put out more energy than it does. They can't measure the temperature of his heat vision, for example, even though they do know how hot the sun is. So his durability at full charge is really hard to pinpoint. Seems like as long as Superman is charged up and there's nothing that would drain him (kryptonite, a very long fight away from the sun, etc.), he ain't dying from any single hit.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Hard to say. The thing about Superman is that he regularly breaks the laws of physics. He may be charged by the sun but he can put out more energy than it does. They can't measure the temperature of his heat vision, for example, even though they do know how hot the sun is. Seems like as long as Superman is charged up and there's nothing that would drain him, he ain't dying.

Hmm perhaps that is the case. Well if Goku gets some reality warping powers he might be able to pull it off.

[TonyTheTiger]

Yeah, once you get into reality warping, all bets are off. But reality warpers are just as silly to put in a death battle as Superman is. I'd be surprised if Dragon Ball did that, though. Literal omnipotence seems a bit...not Dragon Ball, if only because it would quash the need for an actual fight. Even the deus ex machina wish dragon has its limits.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yeah, once you get into reality warping, all bets are off. But reality warpers are just as silly to put in a death battle as Superman is.

Lol aint that the truth . This is why I question the fact that they used Super Shadow in Death Battle, and made him lose no less. Seriously not trying to bash Ben and Chad here but damn they made Shadow look retarded in that fight. Shadow woudln't send Vegeta to the moon or try and drown him. He would chaos control him into the sun, the end. However as if that wasn't bad enough, they made Shadow look weak. The dude fights Nigh Omnipotent threats on a regular basis =/.

[dario03]

Reality warpers never made much sense to me. Its like how in Marvel they have a ton of people who "can destroy the whole universe or multiverse or whateververse". So what happens when one of them does it? Do they just easily kill each other? Are they all glass cannons or something?

Now, if you think that the new form will make Goku billions or trillions of times stronger, then I disagree with you.

But don't forget; the 160'000 tons is his best without ki! So his real best strength is 34.7 sextillion tons.

When did they say that 160,000 tons is his best without ki? I thought that it was his best with ki. If he could do so much more then why did SS4 Goku and Vegeta struggle holding up a building that was probably only around a couple 100 thousand tons.

[dbzfan7]

Instead of spamming the idea of Wiz vs Boomstick(which i'm sorry because I seem to do it too much), I would like to add that I wanna see Kenshiro in a death battle. Wonder who he would fight since Musou Tensei being pretty broken technique. I also would like to see the Shonen Jump stars fight. Maybe a triple threat between Naruto, Ichigo, and Luffy. Throw in Toriko since he became popular for a fatal four way if necessary. I would like to see Megas in a fight too, but he is probably too plot written with literal plot buttons. Also we know that a tournament between everyone is never happening and they said it would between Goku, Spawn, and Supes in the end anyways. Also Sasuke (who I don't give a shit about as well as all of Naruto) will never happen since Ben hates him with a passion apparently.

Anyone got requests they wanna see?

Here is the Death Battle theme which I just can't stop listening too. It's so awesome.