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Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by Relentless Saiyan72 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:22 pm

Firstly, I wanted to apologize if this topic has arose over the years. However i was looking for a definite answer. Who is more powerful between these two? I personally believe that Vegito is more powerful, because of the fact that the potaro earrings are from the Kais. Plus the fact that Gogeta can only stay fused for 30 minutes at a time. Now when these two square off I can see Vegito getting over-confident and taking a beating to Gogeta. If anyone has any statistics they"ll like to add, be my guess. :D

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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by dario03 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:27 pm

I would say Vegetto. Its said that its a better fusion. Theres also a part in a guidebook that says he is Goku X Vegeta which some people interpret as power level times power level. Personally I don't believe it means that but if you want to think that then he would be far stronger than Gogeta since I think its said that Gogeta is "10s" of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta.

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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:29 pm

I know I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but I think it's possible Gogeta could overcome Vegetto because it seems like Fusion-dance'd bodies are made of some essence entirely different from original fusees bodies and Potara bodies. Like, it seems they might be able to go beyond their body's limits since they may not have a regular, mortal body perhaps similar to Gokuu before being revived by the elder Kaiou-shin. I think Gogeta, thus, might be able to beat Vegetto because he could exert more potential power than Vegetto, possibly, even considering the possible rival boost the Potara may give, though I think that can apply to Fusion Dancing as well.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:32 pm

Daizenshuu 7 wrote:To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu's body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people's bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion.
So, there you have it. Vegetto is not superior just because his time never runs out, but his power is greater as well. So, Vegetto is stronger than Gogeta.
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Post by rereboy » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:34 pm

Even if we were to assume that they have the same power, Vegetto would win simply because he doesn't have a time limit. But all available signs point to the potara fusion being better and more powerful than the regular fusion, so Vegetto probably wouldn't even need the time limit to win.

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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by Bussani » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:34 pm

I feel like we may have had this topic recently, but I can't remember exactly what thread it was. There are a couple of guide entries that say things about the power of the potaras.
Daizenshuu 4 Technology & Supernatural Section wrote:The much-valued treasure of the Kaioshin. If two people take one each and fit it on their respective ears, one on the left and one on the right, in an instant they will unite together and power up. The principle is the same as the Fusion technique, but the effect is greater than Fusion. Furthermore, since this union cannot be cancelled, it doesn't have the weakness of running out of time and the two returning to normal. This union is only removed inside the body of Majin Buu.
Daizenshuu 7 Item Guide wrote:To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.
So if you believe them, it seems the potara are not only superior due to their lack of a time limit, but also in the power they can grant. Of course, if Goku was right about how it works, it might be possible for potara to make you weaker depending on who you fuse with. Toriyama may have just thrown that comment in as a joke, but I could imagine it being true.
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Post by InfernalVegito » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:35 pm

In my view they are either equally strong or Vegetto might be slightly stronger. What Old Kaioshin said about the Potaras that they result in a better fusion, I only take it to imply that he meant that there is no time limit.
In the end, both fusions have the same components and yes maybe the Kaioshin magic might give a little extra strength.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:36 pm

Vegetto by a long shot.
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Post by Relentless Saiyan72 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:40 pm

You all make great points. In my opinion, I know Vegito is possibly more powerful, However I feel "personally" that Gogeta can over come him> I was just thinking of when Vegito was fighting Super Buu and how easily he got tricked into that candy beam. Imagine if Gogeta threw his stardust and Vegito looking clueless and with arrogance wouldn't even think it would do damage.

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:46 pm

I've adopted a clever theory I've heard before that dictates while the two persons to fuse aren't required to be similar in power/race/build/mindset/etc for Potara Fusion like with the Fusion Dance, it still yields a better Fusion if they ARE similar. Any combination of Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan would yield a pretty darn powerful Fusion for these reasons, while other combinations like Kaioshin and Kibito, Dende or Mr. Satan and Goku, and so forth, wouldn't be nearly as effective. It's a good theory for explaining why Vegetto was so overwhelmingly rockin' while other Fusions were considerably less impressive.

So in SOME cases, going by this theory, the Potara might result in a weaker Fusion than the dance. But all other things being equal, or when a pair who are compatible for the Fusion Dance use the Potara to fuse instead, the Potara option will be much stronger. Perhaps even many times more so.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:49 pm

Kaboom wrote:I've adopted a clever theory I've heard before that dictates while the two persons to fuse aren't required to be similar in power/race/build/mindset/etc for Potara Fusion like with the Fusion Dance, it still yields a better Fusion if they ARE similar. Any combination of Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan would yield a pretty darn powerful Fusion for these reasons, while other combinations like Kaioshin and Kibito, Dende or Mr. Satan and Goku, and so forth, wouldn't be nearly as effective. It's a good theory for explaining why Vegetto was so overwhelmingly rockin' while other Fusions were considerably less impressive.

So in SOME cases, going by this theory, the Potara might result in a weaker Fusion than the dance. But all other things being equal, or when a pair who are compatible for the Fusion Dance use the Potara to fuse instead, the Potara option will be much stronger. Perhaps even many times more so.
I go by this logic as well.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by Bussani » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:59 pm

Relentless Saiyan72 wrote:You all make great points. In my opinion, I know Vegito is possibly more powerful, However I feel "personally" that Gogeta can over come him> I was just thinking of when Vegito was fighting Super Buu and how easily he got tricked into that candy beam. Imagine if Gogeta threw his stardust and Vegito looking clueless and with arrogance wouldn't even think it would do damage.
To be fair, Vegetto wasn't fighting seriously at all. He wanted Buu to absorb him so he could rescue everyone inside, and it's implied that if it weren't for that, he would have been able to wipe Buu out whenever he felt like it.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:01 pm

Relentless Saiyan72 wrote:You all make great points. In my opinion, I know Vegito is possibly more powerful, However I feel "personally" that Gogeta can over come him> I was just thinking of when Vegito was fighting Super Buu and how easily he got tricked into that candy beam. Imagine if Gogeta threw his stardust and Vegito looking clueless and with arrogance wouldn't even think it would do damage.
Umm that stardust breaker wouldn't really do anything to him so I'm not sure where you are going with that. The Daizenshuus and the SEG both imply Vegetto is a great deal stronger. In fact the SEG presents us with Vegetto being closer to multiplication and gives as a Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto. If that's meant to be taken seriously Gogeta has nothing on Vegetto even with SSJ4.
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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by Relentless Saiyan72 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:53 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Relentless Saiyan72 wrote:You all make great points. In my opinion, I know Vegito is possibly more powerful, However I feel "personally" that Gogeta can over come him> I was just thinking of when Vegito was fighting Super Buu and how easily he got tricked into that candy beam. Imagine if Gogeta threw his stardust and Vegito looking clueless and with arrogance wouldn't even think it would do damage.
Umm that stardust breaker wouldn't really do anything to him so I'm not sure where you are going with that. The Daizenshuus and the SEG both imply Vegetto is a great deal stronger. In fact the SEG presents us with Vegetto being closer to multiplication and gives as a Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto. If that's meant to be taken seriously Gogeta has nothing on Vegetto even with SSJ4.
Well I apologize for that :oops: Ill admit I'm not the dbz expert when it comes to these power levels etc.

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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:22 am

Fox666 wrote:Nobody is an "expert" when it comes to battle powers.
Why?
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:52 am

Potara is more efficient because it is permanent and the most powerful person does not need to lower his power to be on par with the less powerful. And for that, Potara channeled powers better. However, I think the difference in power between them is not big.

Vegetto Vs Gogeta SSJ4? Oh that´s a different history. First of all, Gogeta SSJ4 is formed by 2 SSJ4 ( Damn!! ), they are rivals and have almost the same powers. Omega Shenron fused with the other 6 Dragon is 10 times stronger ( that´s a damn incredible power ) that SSJ4 Kakarotto ( beyond its limits ). Gogeta SSJ4 played with that Omega Shenron fused with the other 6 Dragons. Gogeta SSJ4 power is far beyond our imagination.

A Fusion or Potara between Kakarotto and Vegeta, always be the most powerful. A Fusion or Potara with Kakarotto and Gohan or Vegeta and Gohan, ( I dare to say ) will never be as powerful as Kakarotto and Vegeta.

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Re: Vegito vs Gogeta

Post by GoKu.SaMa » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:36 am

Vegito is stronger than Gogeta :yawn:

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Post by Relentless Saiyan72 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:30 pm

Fox666 wrote:Nobody is an "expert" when it comes to battle powers. The fans who spent too much time thinking about it usually get away from reality.

These links contains all information you need:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/manga/
http://web.archive.org/web/201110211453 ... p?id=guide
Thanks! :D This was exactly what i was looking for.

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