Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLunw4lPi7Y

2-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXSoajMi1s


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Why not ?

Freeza (using 0.5 % of his full power) is capable of destroying the entire universe , and he is also faster than the light .

Screwattack did the math wrong , every thing they say is wrong .

While their calcs may not decide Goku's maximum output it's still nothing Superman can't handle. Freeza cannot destroy the universe, get that notion out of here until you have proof of Freeza destroying it in one go. Not even Majin Buu can destroy a Galaxy. BTW don't use filler to prove a point, DBZ also heavily abuses cinematic time so any time you see galaxies dissipating in filler, its been wrecked, not destroyed, Broly proves that to us, over the course of years. Plus DBZ is comprised of 4 Galaxies, none have been destroyed. So it's a non-point. Dude really? DCAU Superman? This guy is using Supermans weakest feats from his weakest variant. Supes can survive Supernova's exploding in his face, he can hit with the force of a Supernova. That's 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Megatons of force. The force needed to destroy a planet is 53,000,000,000,000,000 Megatons of force. To put that in perspective 10 Octillion megatons is more than 100,000,000,000,000x as much power needed to destroy a planet. Super Perfect Cell might not even be able to produce that much energy. He can hold mini black holes in his hand, etc. That's not even taking into account Sun dipped Superman who is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger. Then there is Pre Crisis Supes if you want a bit of overkill. He can sneeze and destroy entire Solar Systems. Unless this new God form is gonna bring him to Galaxy busting or Universe busting tier, he isn't beating Superman. However even then Supreman is as strong as the writer needs him to be. The dude is broken.

Please watch the videos
Please, show me the videos that show Freeza going light-speed & destroying the universe.

The point of the videos is showing us that Goku is stronger than Superman .

King kai said that Freeza is capable of destroying the universe , and at that time he didn't even know that Freeza have more 3 forms .

Goku (after defeating King picolo) was faster than the lightning , so of course Freeza is faster than the light .

You really need to get a grasp on how this stuff works kid. Just because Kaio sama says he can destroy the universe doesn't mean he can. The same applies to Cell's statement of destroying the entire Solar System. Oh you think Cell is weaker than Freeza? Cell wouldn't say he is capable destroying something as small as a solar system when he can destroy a universe if they could destroy one. Seriously you need feats, proof, to support the very silly notion that Freeza can destroy the entire universe . Lightning and Light are different speeds. Lightning is 3,700 MPS and Light is 186,000 MPS. Speed isn't linear with Ki.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

King kai said that Freeza is capable of destroying the universe , and at that time he didn't even know that Freeza have more 3 forms .

Can't find that in the Strength Checker, so I doubt there is this statement in the manga, and I also checked the scene from the anime where Kaio warns Goku about Freeza, so where did you see that?

Goku (after defeating King picolo) was faster than the lightning , so of course Freeza is faster than the light .

Lightning's speed is much less than the speed of light. There is nothing in real-life that can reach light-speed.

The same applies to Cell's statement of destroying the entire Solar System

There is no proof that Cell couldn't destroy the Solar System.

[TheMightyOzaru]

King kai said that Freeza is capable of destroying the universe , and at that time he didn't even know that Freeza have more 3 forms .

Can't find that in the Strength Checker, so I doubt there is this statement in the manga, and I also checked the scene from the anime where Kaio warns Goku about Freeza, so where did you see that?

Goku (after defeating King picolo) was faster than the lightning , so of course Freeza is faster than the light .

Lightning's speed is much less than the speed of light. There is nothing in real-life that can reach light-speed.

The same applies to Cell's statement of destroying the entire Solar System

There is no proof that Cell couldn't destroy the Solar System.

There is no proof he can either. I think he can cause a supernova effectively destroying it with one attack but that destruction will take a while.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There is no proof he can either. I think he can cause a supernova effectively destroying it with one attack but that destruction will take a while.

There is. He said he could, and nothing contradicted. Of course, causing a supernova by destroying the Sun, with his Kamehameha on the mix, could be enough to destroy the Solar System, so I guess that's what he meant.

[dbzfan7]

Doesn't Supes have infinite strength. He lifts a book with infinite amount of pages. But that might be pre-crisis.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Doesn't Supes have infinite strength. He lifts a book with infinite amount of pages. But that might be pre-crisis.

That sounds like Pre Crisis since it's more ridiculous than usual .

[dbzfan7]

Doesn't Supes have infinite strength. He lifts a book with infinite amount of pages. But that might be pre-crisis.

That sounds like Pre Crisis since it's more ridiculous than usual .

Doesn't look like pre-crisis artwork but it probably could be from that era.

[Bussani]

1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLunw4lPi7Y

I like how you ignore all of ScrewAttack's work, but will listen to this video that, by the looks of it, only takes Superman: The Animated Series into account.

Freeza (using 0.5 % of his full power) is capable of destroying the entire universe

That's the first I've heard of it.

[GoKu.SaMa]

[quote="TheMightyOzaru"]

1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLunw4lPi7Y

2-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXSoajMi1s

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While their calcs may not decide Goku's maximum output it's still nothing Superman can't handle. Freeza cannot destroy the universe, get that notion out of here until you have proof of Freeza destroying it in one go. Not even Majin Buu can destroy a Galaxy. BTW don't use filler to prove a point, DBZ also heavily abuses cinematic time so any time you see galaxies dissipating in filler, its been wrecked, not destroyed, Broly proves that to us, over the course of years. Plus DBZ is comprised of 4 Galaxies, none have been destroyed. So it's a non-point. Dude really? DCAU Superman? This guy is using Supermans weakest feats from his weakest variant. Supes can survive Supernova's exploding in his face, he can hit with the force of a Supernova. That's 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Megatons of force. The force needed to destroy a planet is 53,000,000,000,000,000 Megatons of force. To put that in perspective 10 Octillion megatons is more than 100,000,000,000,000x as much power needed to destroy a planet. Super Perfect Cell might not even be able to produce that much energy. He can hold mini black holes in his hand, etc. That's not even taking into account Sun dipped Superman who is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar stronger. Then there is Pre Crisis Supes if you want a bit of overkill. He can sneeze and destroy entire Solar Systems. Unless this new God form is gonna bring him to Galaxy busting or Universe busting tier, he isn't beating Superman. However even then Supreman is as strong as the writer needs him to be. The dude is broken.

Please watch the videos
Please, show me the videos that show Freeza going light-speed & destroying the universe.

The point of the videos is showing us that Goku is stronger than Superman .

King kai said that Freeza is capable of destroying the universe , and at that time he didn't even know that Freeza have more 3 forms .

Goku (after defeating King picolo) was faster than the lightning , so of course Freeza is faster than the light .

You really need to get a grasp on how this stuff works kid. Just because Kaio sama says he can destroy the universe doesn't mean he can. The same applies to Cell's statement of destroying the entire Solar System. Oh you think Cell is weaker than Freeza? Cell wouldn't say he is capable destroying something as small as a solar system when he can destroy a universe if they could destroy one. Seriously you need feats, proof, to support the very silly notion that Freeza can destroy the entire universe . Lightning and Light are different speeds. Lightning is 3,700 MPS and Light is 186,000 MPS. Speed isn't linear with Ki.[/quote]
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1-What does the word (clacs) mean ?

sorry but English is not my native language .

2-Majin buu is not capable of destroying the universe ?????

destroying the universe is not even an impressing thing in DBZ , because a lot of characters are capable of doing that.

3-So you are saying that King Kai is lying ?

4-Superman is not the only one who can destroy a planet , King picolo is capable of destroying a planet , Muten Roshi destroyed the moon .

5-For your information Freeza (using 0.5 of his full power ) is 2,500 x stronger than king picolo.

6-When did cell said that he can destroy the solar system ?

7-There is to types of Lightning :

-Cloud to ground (the leader) : 250 km/s

-Groung to cloud : 100000 km/s

8-The light is 3 times faster than the second type of lightning , and the second type is 400 times faster than the first one .

9-When Goku's power level was 200 he was faster than the first type of lightning .

10-When Goku's power level was 80,000 he was as fast as the second type .

11-When Goku's power level was 240,000 he was as fast as the light (superman speed)

12-Freeza (using 0.5% of his full power) is faster than the light more than twice.


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you still think superman is stronger than Goku even after watching the videos ?

[GoKu.SaMa]

1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLunw4lPi7Y

I like how you ignore all of ScrewAttack's work, but will listen to this video that, by the looks of it, only takes Superman: The Animated Series into account.

Freeza (using 0.5 % of his full power) is capable of destroying the entire universe

That's the first I've heard of it.

ScrewAttack were obviously in superman side .
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I will try to find the chapter .

[TheMightyOzaru]

1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLunw4lPi7Y

I like how you ignore all of ScrewAttack's work, but will listen to this video that, by the looks of it, only takes Superman: The Animated Series into account.

Freeza (using 0.5 % of his full power) is capable of destroying the entire universe

That's the first I've heard of it.

ScrewAttack were obviously in superman side .
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I will try to find the chapter .

They were both bigger Goku fans. No... No character in the series can even destroy a Galaxy let alone a universe... You really really need to get your facts straight.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

1-What does the word (clacs) mean ?

Calculations.

2-Majin buu is not capable of destroying the universe ?????

destroying the universe is not even an impressing thing in DBZ , because a lot of characters are capable of doing that.

No, they are not. You have misunderstood the power of the Z-Senshi & their opponents. They can destroy the universe after many, many years, but not with one blow.

3-So you are saying that King Kai is lying ?

When did he even say that in the first place?

4-Superman is not the only one who can destroy a planet , King picolo is capable of destroying a planet , Muten Roshi destroyed the moon .

There is no proof that Piccolo Daimao can destroy a planet. We only know that he is capable of destroying moons.

6-When did cell said that he can destroy the solar system ?

In the manga, when he was charging the Kamehameha that clashed with Gohan's, before getting killed.

Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: “I’ve already gathered enough ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!”
Random people far away: “Wh-what’s happening!?” “It’s an earthquake…!”

11-When Goku's power level was 240,000 he was as fast as the light (superman speed)

Superman isn't capable of flying just at light-speed, but faster than light-speed.

you still think superman is stronger than Goku even after watching the videos [/b]?

Yes, because the first video has a weak version of Superman from the animated series, and the second just showed us that there are people stronger than Superman. Did you see the whole video of the Death Battle, along with the analysis of Goku's & Superman's abilities & feats?

[GoKu.SaMa]

[:lolno: They were both bigger Goku fans. No... No character in the series can even destroy a Galaxy let alone a universe... You really really need to get your facts straight.

Why didn't you answer my questions in the first post ?

[Zephyr]

There is one key premise that people denying Superman's victory need to understand:

In a world with an infinite number of barriers, who stands on top: the man who can overcome any barrier, or the man with no barriers in the first place?

[TheMightyOzaru]

[:lolno: They were both bigger Goku fans. No... No character in the series can even destroy a Galaxy let alone a universe... You really really need to get your facts straight.

Why didn't you answer my questions in the first post ?

Too many and I think the post above me pretty much covers it.

[GoKu.SaMa]

No, they are not. You have misunderstood the power of the Z-Senshi & their opponents. They can destroy the universe after many, many years, but not with one blow.

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I didn't say with one blow .

When did he even say that in the first place?

I will search in the manga

There is no proof that Piccolo Daimao can destroy a planet. We only know that he is capable of destroying moons.

That's what Picolo Daimao said about himself , if he can destroy the moon then i think he can also destroy a planet .

Superman isn't capable of flying just at light-speed, but faster than light-speed.

I never heard about that .

I heard that superman speed = the light speed

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Yes, because the first video has a weak version of Superman from the animated series, and the second just showed us that there are people stronger than Superman. Did you see the whole video of the Death Battle, along with the analysis of Goku's & Superman's abilities & feats?

Because every thing about Goku was wrong at that video .

[GoKu.SaMa]

[:lolno: They were both bigger Goku fans. No... No character in the series can even destroy a Galaxy let alone a universe... You really really need to get your facts straight.

Why didn't you answer my questions in the first post ?

Too many and I think the post above me pretty much covers it.

My psot proves that Goku is more than x1000 faster than superman , and also proves that destroying a planet is not even intersting in DBZ , and also proves that Freeza while using 0.5% of his full power is more than x2500 stronger than Picolo Daimao (the man who is capable of destroying the earth) .

[Mewzard]

Doesn't Supes have infinite strength. He lifts a book with infinite amount of pages. But that might be pre-crisis.

That sounds like Pre Crisis since it's more ridiculous than usual .

Doesn't look like pre-crisis artwork but it probably could be from that era.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27 ... _super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/98 ... _super.jpg

That's from 2008/2009 I believe. It was from the two issue Superman Beyond mini, tying into Final Crisis. Grant Morrison was trying to give the New Gods one Hell of a send off, so he gave them one. A very Silver Age style story, yet rather awesome. What Grant Morrison write, and what mere mortals write are rarely in the same dimensional frequency, lol.

So yeah, it's from modern Superman...but nobody used anything close to stuff like what happened in Final Crisis. Superman memorizing how to build the Miracle Machine from a quick glance, recreating it, then creating a reverse frequency to Darkseid's soul to shatter it? Yeah, nobody can make crazy **** work and be appealing quite like Grant Morrison.

I guess the debate might continue if the movie proves the form is more potent than we suspect.

[TheMightyOzaru]

My post proves that Goku is more than x1000 faster than superman , and also proves that destroying a planet is not even intersting in DBZ , and also proves that Freeza while using 0.5% of his full power is more than x2500 stronger than Picolo Daimao (the man who is capable of destroying the earth) .

I don't see how you come to that conclusion. Destroying a universe over time also isn't impressive. Superman could do if he so pleased as well. He'd do it faster though since he has greater power and would likely run into a few blue stars along the way increasing his power exponentially. He'd probably get to the point where he could destroy galaxies in one blow. Goku can't even destroy a galaxy in one blow in fact it's already debatable whether he can destroy the solar system in one blow =/. Just to put that in perspective a galaxy can be comprised of billions of solar systems. Piccolo never claimed he could destroy the planet and even if he did he would simply ravage it. Destroying a planet requires more than 1,000x as much power than destroying the moon. Piccolo Daimao is only 1.444x stronger than Roshi, Piccolo Daimao's power level is 260 and Roshi's is 180. Ki growth isn't linear with speed and a lot of stuff you think is light speed has been debunked already. DBZ also likes to abuse cinematic time. Even SSJ Gotenks isn't quite light speed. I don't see what's so impressive about Freeza being 2,500x stronger than Daimao when it takes over 100,000,000,000,000,000x as much energy to produce the equivalent of a supernova explosion. Even if Cell can do that, Goku isn't more than 1,000x stronger than he is at SSJ4. Superman can already tank 15 Supernova's to the face according to Coldgast, not sure if I spelled that correctly, and sun dipping has caused his power to skyrocket. Sorry but Superman has this in the bag.

[GoKu.SaMa]

My post proves that Goku is more than x1000 faster than superman , and also proves that destroying a planet is not even intersting in DBZ , and also proves that Freeza while using 0.5% of his full power is more than x2500 stronger than Picolo Daimao (the man who is capable of destroying the earth) .

I don't see how you come to that conclusion. Destroying a universe over time also isn't impressive. Superman could do if he so pleased as well. He'd do it faster though since he has greater power and would likely run into a few blue stars along the way increasing his power exponentially. He'd probably get to the point where he could destroy galaxies in one blow. Goku can't even destroy a galaxy in one blow in fact it's already debatable whether he can destroy the solar system in one blow =/. Just to put that in perspective a galaxy can be comprised of billions of solar systems. Piccolo never claimed he could destroy the planet and even if he did he would simply ravage it. Destroying a planet requires more than 1,000x as much power than destroying the moon. Piccolo Daimao is only 1.444x stronger than Roshi, Piccolo Daimao's power level is 260 and Roshi's is 180. Ki growth isn't linear with speed and a lot of stuff you think is light speed has been debunked already. DBZ also likes to abuse cinematic time. Even SSJ Gotenks isn't quite light speed. I don't see what's so impressive about Freeza being 2,500x stronger than Daimao when it takes over 100,000,000,000,000,000x as much energy to produce the equivalent of a supernova explosion. Even if Cell can do that, Goku isn't more than 1,000x stronger than he is at SSJ4. Superman can already tank 15 Supernova's to the face according to Coldgast, not sure if I spelled that correctly, and sun dipping has caused his power to skyrocket. Sorry but Superman has this in the bag.

1-Superman can barely destroy a planet , if he was capable of destroying the univere then why didn't they mentioned it in the video ?

2-Picolo Daimao was detroying the world slowly to have fun .-

3- Destroying a planet requires more than 1,000x as much power than destroying the moon ?

i never heard about that .

4-Freeza (using 0.5% of his full power) is 2500 times stronger than Picolo Daimao , and Picolo is capable of destroying the earth

so why couldn't Freeza destroy the universe ?

5-Light speed =300000 m/s

The first type of lightning =250 km/s

The second type of lightning =100000 km/s

you can do the math your self