That's your opinion. And that's my opinion.GoKu.SaMa wrote:Goku became the strongest 10 years after defeating Buu .
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Vegeta doesn't appear in Movie 5... And Goku already suprassed Vegeta in Movie 8 because of his mastery over the Super Saiyan form.Rocketman wrote:The movies always inflate Goku's power, though. Vegeta should be the strongest character in movies 5,6,7 and 8.
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Fine then, Gohan should be the strongest in movie 8.
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Not necessarily. I have been running off the idea that when you power up from the rested ssj state, your base power increases in conjunction. Since Gohan is in his base form and never powered up prior to his fight with Cell, He is only as powerful as his rested ssj state while Goku is at half his full power as a ssj in this movie.Rocketman wrote:Fine then, Gohan should be the strongest in movie 8.
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It almost seems as if Vegeta was weaker than even Piccolo in movie 8, his kick did nothing to Broly before he fully powered up.Rocketman wrote:The movies always inflate Goku's power, though. Vegeta should be the strongest character in movies 5,6,7 and 8.
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Again, not necessarily. Gohan doesn't look as old as he is in the Cell Games, so he possibly hadn't surpassed Goku yet.Rocketman wrote:Fine then, Gohan should be the strongest in movie 8.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Gotta love those attempts to justify the movies' utterly screwed logic.
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We shouldn't even discuss about this .DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That's your opinion. And that's my opinion.GoKu.SaMa wrote:Goku became the strongest 10 years after defeating Buu .
Goku is the hero , so of course he is the strongest.
Goku spend 10 years training after defeating Buu and 10 years is not a short period of time , and the different between him and Gohan was not that big even before 10 years so i think it's obvious ....
You said that Oob showed his real power after using the Kiai , and Goku took that attack with no damage and he was using 0.0025 % of his full power , so imagine his full power ......
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Define hero.GoKu.SaMa wrote: Goku is the hero , so of course he is the strongest.
It was big.the different between him and Gohan was not that big even before 10 years
Kiai is not supposed to do much damage.You said that Oob showed his real power after using the Kiai , and Goku took that attack with no damage and he was using 0.0025 % of his full power , so imagine his full power ......
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Directed at Kakarotto!Fox666 wrote:I dunno, but was the Kiai directed at Goku? Or he just threw it in all directions?
Kakarotto never fought seriously against Oob. He was always testing his power and pushing his limits. However, we can say after 10 years of non stop training, Kakarotto raised his power battle. After that ( training and teaching Oob ), it is reasonable to assume that Kakarotto increased a lot more his powers because Obb is one hell of a sparring. This is my thought!
Kakarotto is a Hero but not always was the strongest.
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Because that name is the Goku real name. Not pretty but not so horrible. Not condemn me for calling him Kakarotto je je.Fox666 wrote:Why do you say "Kakarotto"?
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That reminds me of Saiyan Professor who left this forums.
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Originally, the main protagonist of the Boo arc was Gohan (along with Goten & Trunks), and it seems that Toriyama intended Ultimate Gohan (possibly together with SS3 Gotenks) to be the one who would defeat Boo, but changed his mind at the last moment and decided that the one who would save the day would be Goku again. Which is why Toriyama made Boo revert back to Pure Boo, so that Goku will have a villain at his level, since Evil Boo was way stronger than SS3 Goku.GoKu.SaMa wrote:Goku is the hero , so of course he is the strongest.
Never in the history of the Dragon Ball (manga) has anyone, ever, become over 400 times stronger by just training on Earth. You are saying that Goku became more than 400 times stronger without transforming, without weigh/gravity training, without near-death power-ups, without getting his dormant power unleashed by a god or a godly item, and without entering inside the Room of Spirit & Time. Because there is no indication that any of these happened. We know that relaxed Oob isn't anything special, we saw Oob getting stronger when he first got angry, and Daizenshuu confirmed that Oob got even stronger when he threw his Kiai.GoKu.SaMa wrote:Goku spend 10 years training after defeating Buu and 10 years is not a short period of time , and the different between him and Gohan was not that big even before 10 years so i think it's obvious ....
Goku was most likely going all out against Oob when he got angry, since Oob (pre-Kiai) was shown to be stronger than Goku. And the Kiai isn't a very powerful attack, it just throws an intense shockwave made of invisible ki. Goku won't die from just that.GoKu.SaMa wrote:You said that Oob showed his real power after using the Kiai , and Goku took that attack with no damage and he was using 0.0025 % of his full power , so imagine his full power ......
For comparison, look at the damage that Goku's punch did to Jheece (who was much weaker than Goku):
Then look at the damage that Goku's Kiai did to Jheece & Butta:
The punch made his nose bleed, while the Kiai just sent them away.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yes, Super Boo ( Evil Boo ) is stronger than Kakarotto.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Originally, the main protagonist of the Boo arc was Gohan (along with Goten & Trunks), and it seems that Toriyama intended Ultimate Gohan (possibly together with SS3 Gotenks) to be the one who would defeat Boo, but changed his mind at the last moment and decided that the one who would save the day would be Goku again. Which is why Toriyama made Boo revert back to Pure Boo, so that Goku will have a villain at his level, since Evil Boo was way stronger than SS3 Goku.GoKu.SaMa wrote:Goku is the hero , so of course he is the strongest.
Never in the history of the Dragon Ball (manga) has anyone, ever, become over 400 times stronger by just training on Earth. You are saying that Goku became more than 400 times stronger without transforming, without weigh/gravity training, without near-death power-ups, without getting his dormant power unleashed by a god or a godly item, and without entering inside the Room of Spirit & Time. Because there is no indication that any of these happened. We know that relaxed Oob isn't anything special, we saw Oob getting stronger when he first got angry, and Daizenshuu confirmed that Oob got even stronger when he threw his Kiai.GoKu.SaMa wrote:Goku spend 10 years training after defeating Buu and 10 years is not a short period of time , and the different between him and Gohan was not that big even before 10 years so i think it's obvious ....
Goku was most likely going all out against Oob when he got angry, since Oob (pre-Kiai) was shown to be stronger than Goku. And the Kiai isn't a very powerful attack, it just throws an intense shockwave made of invisible ki. Goku won't die from just that.GoKu.SaMa wrote:You said that Oob showed his real power after using the Kiai , and Goku took that attack with no damage and he was using 0.0025 % of his full power , so imagine his full power ......
We know nothing about Kakarotto's training during those 10 years. But we know that he alone is able to find the path to exceed their power limits. Remember my friend, Kakarotto gave the Time Room training idea in the Cell arc, he gave the idea to maintain the SSJ state after leaving the Time Room, he gave the Fusion idea in the Boo's arc, etc. As I said on another occasion, it si very conceivable that Kakarotto increased his powers. 400 times stronger, maybe no but 10 years of traning a lot can happen. After that, 400 times stronger training with Oob? Maybe yes!
Kakarotto never fought seriously against Oob. He was always testing power and pushing Oob's limits.
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That's true, but we have seen lots of times how strong they can get after training only, so we can guess about how much stronger he got. He trained for 7 years in Heaven with Kaio, and did weight training, and the only thing he could manage is to surpass SS2 Gohan from the Cell Games, and not by much.MDSTSSJ wrote:We know nothing about Kakarotto's training during those 10 years.
From what we know, the only possible way for base Goku to have gotten so much stronger is with the help of Rou Kaioshin's ability, but it doesn't seem to be the case, since Goku doesn't have any of Ultimate Gohan's characteristics, and looks exactly the same as he always did.
It's true that he was testing Oob, but he seemed serious to me. Oob's kick hurt Goku's arm, he barely dodged Oob's punch, and when their hits clashed... just look at the ring's condition.MDSTSSJ wrote:Kakarotto never fought seriously against Oob. He was always testing power and pushing Oob's limits.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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What about SSJ3 transformation? He achieve SSJ3 in the Other World too.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That's true, but we have seen lots of times how strong they can get after training only, so we can guess about how much stronger he got. He trained for 7 years in Heaven with Kaio, and did weight training, and the only thing he could manage is to surpass SS2 Gohan from the Cell Games, and not by much.MDSTSSJ wrote:We know nothing about Kakarotto's training during those 10 years.
Mmm 7 years with Kaio and a lot of power gained. After that time, 10 years having more ideas than before to achieve even more power. That's my toughts!!
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Yeah, except for counting SS3, he surpassed SS2 Gohan.MDSTSSJ wrote:What about SSJ3 transformation? He achieve SSJ3 in the Other World too.
Anyway, I believe that Goku became about 3 times more powerful at most, which is a very big power up. I can't see him getting such an insane power up, because training doesn't multiply your power, it adds more power.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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We must also remember that Gohan lost power in that period of time; and with more reason and training, Kakarotto's ends up being the strongest!