Gohan Strongest Unfused character.

[bleed0range]

Goku is the hero , so of course he is the strongest.

Originally, the main protagonist of the Boo arc was Gohan (along with Goten & Trunks), and it seems that Toriyama intended Ultimate Gohan (possibly together with SS3 Gotenks) to be the one who would defeat Boo, but changed his mind at the last moment and decided that the one who would save the day would be Goku again. Which is why Toriyama made Boo revert back to Pure Boo, so that Goku will have a villain at his level, since Evil Boo was way stronger than SS3 Goku.

I feel like people get overly upset about Goku being the guy who ultimately layed down the final blow, but I don't think that's completely true. The whole arc Goku was saying how he can't ALWAYS be the one to defend the earth. Not allowing Gohan to defeat him gives a better ending to that arc imo. Goku does not do it alone, he has to have help... it shows how his friendliness has attained him more power through friendships he has made through the entire manga. It gives Mr. Satan some redemption at truly becoming a hero as his talent to persuade the people of Earth ties in here. The people of earth essentially, for the first time, work towards saving their own planet in what little way they can. Vegeta's cunning in battle gives him the idea of the genki dama in the first place. And finally Vegeta comes around in character development and admits that Goku has talents that he just doesn't have and he finally admits so and gives him his full respect. Goku does not save the day, everybody ultimately was needed to defeat Majin Boo.

I like that ending better.

Plus, the most powerful is not necessarily the best... Goku is by and far the best fighter even if at the end of Z Gohan is the most powerful.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I feel like people get overly upset about Goku being the guy who ultimately layed down the final blow, but I don't think that's completely true. The whole arc Goku was saying how he can't ALWAYS be the one to defend the earth. Not allowing Gohan to defeat him gives a better ending to that arc imo. Goku does not do it alone, he has to have help... it shows how his friendliness has attained him more power through friendships he has made through the entire manga. It gives Mr. Satan some redemption at truly becoming a hero as his talent to persuade the people of Earth ties in here. The people of earth essentially, for the first time, work towards saving their own planet in what little way they can. Vegeta's cunning in battle gives him the idea of the genki dama in the first place. And finally Vegeta comes around in character development and admits that Goku has talents that he just doesn't have and he finally admits so and gives him his full respect. Goku does not save the day, everybody ultimately was needed to defeat Majin Boo.

I like that ending better.

We are not talking about this, I just explained why Goku is the main character, but not the strongest.

Plus, the most powerful is not necessarily the best... Goku is by and far the best fighter even if at the end of Z Gohan is the most powerful.

I agree.

We must also remember that Gohan lost power in that period of time; and with more reason and training, Kakarotto's ends up being the strongest!

Boo arc Gohan is exactly as strong as he was in Cell Games, except that he couldn't get power from his rage (according to the Daizenshuu). And not to mention that we should also wait & see what happened to Gohan in Battle of Gods, it doesn't matter if Gohan got weaker than Goku during the 28th TB, since it's not relevant to our discussion. What we are talking about now is whenever or not Goku surpassed his SS3 self from Boo arc.

[MDSTSSJ]

I feel like people get overly upset about Goku being the guy who ultimately layed down the final blow, but I don't think that's completely true. The whole arc Goku was saying how he can't ALWAYS be the one to defend the earth. Not allowing Gohan to defeat him gives a better ending to that arc imo. Goku does not do it alone, he has to have help... it shows how his friendliness has attained him more power through friendships he has made through the entire manga. It gives Mr. Satan some redemption at truly becoming a hero as his talent to persuade the people of Earth ties in here. The people of earth essentially, for the first time, work towards saving their own planet in what little way they can. Vegeta's cunning in battle gives him the idea of the genki dama in the first place. And finally Vegeta comes around in character development and admits that Goku has talents that he just doesn't have and he finally admits so and gives him his full respect. Goku does not save the day, everybody ultimately was needed to defeat Majin Boo.

I like that ending better.

We are not talking about this, I just explained why Goku is the main character, but not the strongest.

Plus, the most powerful is not necessarily the best... Goku is by and far the best fighter even if at the end of Z Gohan is the most powerful.

I agree.

We must also remember that Gohan lost power in that period of time; and with more reason and training, Kakarotto's ends up being the strongest!

Boo arc Gohan is exactly as strong as he was in Cell Games, except that he couldn't get power from his rage (according to the Daizenshuu). And not to mention that we should also wait & see what happened to Gohan in Battle of Gods, it doesn't matter if Gohan got weaker than Goku during the 28th TB, since it's not relevant to our discussion. What we are talking about now is whenever or not Goku surpassed his SS3 self from Boo arc.

I was talking about the strongest unfused caracter at the very end of DBZ.

"Boo arc Gohan is exactly as strong as he was in Cell Games".

That's don't make any sense. 0 training in 7 years, don't have same powers that Cell games. If I'm not mistaken, Vegeta comments that Gohan is weaker than before ( Cell's arc ) because he lost his training.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

"Boo arc Gohan is exactly as strong as he was in Cell Games".

That's don't make any sense. 0 training in 7 years, don't have same powers that Cell games.

No one said that Gohan wasn't training at all in those years. He just did easy training, and not very often. Besides, Gohan is a Saiyan, and even if he did grew a little weaker, his body grew up from a kid's body, to nearly an adult body, so I guess the Saiyan blood in him slowed down the power decrease, and his body growing up filled the blank spots.

If I'm not mistaken, Vegeta comments that Gohan is weaker than before ( Cell's arc ) because he lost his training.

Vegeta said that Gohan was strongest as a brat, and he really was stronger back then, because he was angry.

[Rocketman]

Gohan has more potential than Goku. Goku can never, ever reach Rage of the Gods Gohan, because he does not have enough reserves to keep digging into.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gohan has more potential than Goku. Goku can never, ever reach Rage of the Gods Gohan, because he does not have enough reserves to keep digging into.

Agreed. Exception will probably be the Super Saiyan God form of Goku from the new movie, I guess.

[MDSTSSJ]

Gohan has more potential than Goku. Goku can never, ever reach Rage of the Gods Gohan, because he does not have enough reserves to keep digging into.

Where do you get that Gohan has more potential than Kakaroto? That´s a false or premeditated statement I think!

[TheMightyOzaru]

Gohan has more potential than Goku. Goku can never, ever reach Rage of the Gods Gohan, because he does not have enough reserves to keep digging into.

Where do you get that Gohan has more potential than Kakaroto? That´s a false or premeditated statement I think!

Gohan certainly has more dormant potential but potential means jack shit in this series. Potential to me is the current limit not the end all limit. Characters are constantly hitting these "limits" yet they turn around and break or expand them all the time. Gohan would be the most powerful but his refusal to train and expand his limits ultimately does him in. The idea that Goku can only be so strong is utter BS IMO. His character is about breaking limits and striving to get stronger. If he has an end limit this ultimately defeats his character.

[bleed0range]

I feel like people get overly upset about Goku being the guy who ultimately layed down the final blow, but I don't think that's completely true. The whole arc Goku was saying how he can't ALWAYS be the one to defend the earth. Not allowing Gohan to defeat him gives a better ending to that arc imo. Goku does not do it alone, he has to have help... it shows how his friendliness has attained him more power through friendships he has made through the entire manga. It gives Mr. Satan some redemption at truly becoming a hero as his talent to persuade the people of Earth ties in here. The people of earth essentially, for the first time, work towards saving their own planet in what little way they can. Vegeta's cunning in battle gives him the idea of the genki dama in the first place. And finally Vegeta comes around in character development and admits that Goku has talents that he just doesn't have and he finally admits so and gives him his full respect. Goku does not save the day, everybody ultimately was needed to defeat Majin Boo.

I like that ending better.

We are not talking about this, I just explained why Goku is the main character, but not the strongest.

Dude, I was merely agreeing and commenting on how too many people get upset over Goku "always being the one to win."

[MDSTSSJ]

Gohan has more potential than Goku. Goku can never, ever reach Rage of the Gods Gohan, because he does not have enough reserves to keep digging into.

Where do you get that Gohan has more potential than Kakaroto? That´s a false or premeditated statement I think!

Gohan certainly has more dormant potential but potential means jack shit in this series. Potential to me is the current limit not the end all limit. Characters are constantly hitting these "limits" yet they turn around and break or expand them all the time. Gohan would be the most powerful but his refusal to train and expand his limits ultimately does him in. The idea that Goku can only be so strong is utter BS IMO. His character is about breaking limits and striving to get stronger. If he has an end limit this ultimately defeats his character.

What´s the name of that Gohan state? Super Gohan, Mystic Gohan, Ultimate Gohan, Strongest Warrior or Saikyō no senshi. What that say to me? ALL Gohan dormant powers was totally released by Elder Kaio; the true and ultimate power that Gohan can reach, nothing more. That's what I think and maybe this will be reaffirmed in the new movie!

Yes, Kakarotto is not the only one can be so strong but I think he is the only can go far beyond that any. Why? Oh well, we all ready now that. He never give up, always looking for more and more power, his training never stops, never etc. Even leaving the fate of the Earth to the others, he never stops and always seeks surpass his powers!

Potential? For me, all the caracters have potential, some more than others of course. Why Gohan has more potential? Combination of human weak blood and Saiyan = Most powerfull Saiyan? Oh no, that´s a big error to me. Why Boo becomes weak when absorbs fat Supreme Kaio? I don´t get it. The Supremes Kaios blood are very powerful; even the blood of that Fat happy Supreme Kaio.

Note: I like Gohan ( although is lazy ) many people may think the contrary, just I like to make sense of the things that don´t make any sense to me!

[TheMightyOzaru]

You know that rage boost Gohan constantly gets throughout the series? That would be a result of his dormant potential. It's also stated that human-Saiyan half breeds have more potential than Saiyan pure bloods somewhere in the Daizenshuus.

[MDSTSSJ]

You know that rage boost Gohan constantly gets throughout the series? That would be a result of his dormant potential.

Yes you are right, but in his ultimate form, he don´t need rage boost anymore ( even beyond ) because all his power has been unlocked. For me in other words, he reach their full potential on that Saikyō no senshi.

For me, Gohan is not able to gain more power, maybe just only skills!

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't think that is the case at all. Again I define potential as the amount of dormant power you have at the time. This can be expanded through training. If Gohan did train he would be able to surpass even his mystic power up.

[MDSTSSJ]

It's also stated that human-Saiyan half breeds have more potential than Saiyan pure bloods somewhere in the Daizenshuus.

Is not my goal contradict Daizenshuus but, that don´t make any sense to me.

Again my friend: Combination of human weak blood and Saiyan = Most powerfull Saiyan? Oh no, that´s a big error to me. Why Boo becomes weak when absorbs fat Supreme Kaio? I don´t get it. The Supremes Kaios blood are very powerful; even the blood of that Fat happy Supreme Kaio.

Cheers

[MDSTSSJ]

I don't think that is the case at all. Again I define potential as the amount of dormant power you have at the time. This can be expanded through training. If Gohan did train he would be able to surpass even his mystic power up.

Maybe I´m wrong but Saikyō no senshi state tells me other thing!

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's also stated that human-Saiyan half breeds have more potential than Saiyan pure bloods somewhere in the Daizenshuus.

Is not my goal contradict Daizenshuus but, that don´t make any sense to me.

Again my friend: Combination of human weak blood and Saiyan = Most powerfull Saiyan? Oh no, that´s a big error to me. Why Boo becomes weak when absorbs fat Supreme Kaio? I don´t get it. The Supremes Kaios blood are very powerful; even the blood of that Fat happy Supreme Kaio.

Cheers

Human blood just expands potential for some reason. If the Daizenshuus state this, then it is the case.

[MDSTSSJ]

It's also stated that human-Saiyan half breeds have more potential than Saiyan pure bloods somewhere in the Daizenshuus.

Is not my goal contradict Daizenshuus but, that don´t make any sense to me.

Again my friend: Combination of human weak blood and Saiyan = Most powerfull Saiyan? Oh no, that´s a big error to me. Why Boo becomes weak when absorbs fat Supreme Kaio? I don´t get it. The Supremes Kaios blood are very powerful; even the blood of that Fat happy Supreme Kaio.

Cheers

Human blood just expands potential for some reason. If the Daizenshuus state this, then it is the case.

What would be that reason? Would be very interesting to know that reason!

[Bussani]

What would be that reason? Would be very interesting to know that reason!

Genetics aren't as straight forward as you might think. Cross breeding a lion with a tiger can somehow produce an offspring that can grow larger than either of the parent species. Human and Saiyan genetics work in a similar way, producing a powerful hybrid. Perhaps even though human genes don't seem as special as those of a Saiyans on the surface, they hide something the Saiyan genes are lacking--something that, when unleashed by Saiyan blood, is really special.

Why Boo becomes weak when absorbs fat Supreme Kaio? I don´t get it. The Supremes Kaios blood are very powerful; even the blood of that Fat happy Supreme Kaio.

Ki isn't entirely dependent on blood or genetics--in fact, I'd say the intangible, spiritual variables are more important overall. It was the Dai Kaioshin's jolly nature that brought down Buu's power.

[MDSTSSJ]

What would be that reason? Would be very interesting to know that reason!

Genetics aren't as straight forward as you might think. Cross breeding a lion with a tiger can somehow produce an offspring that can grow larger than either of the parent species. Human and Saiyan genetics work in a similar way, producing a powerful hybrid. Perhaps even though human genes don't seem as special as those of a Saiyans on the surface, they hide something the Saiyan genes are lacking--something that, when unleashed by Saiyan blood, is really special.

Of course but, a cross breed between a male Lion and Tigress ( very powerful animals ) produce a Liger ( largest feline ). Most important thing the parents have the same genus but different species. You know what I mean? Is not about powerful and a weak blood! Saiyans and Humans don't have same genus and they are different species. Maybe as you say, the weak human blood hide something.

Why Boo becomes weak when absorbs fat Supreme Kaio? I don´t get it. The Supremes Kaios blood are very powerful; even the blood of that Fat happy Supreme Kaio.

Ki isn't entirely dependent on blood or genetics--in fact, I'd say the intangible, spiritual variables are more important overall. It was the Dai Kaioshin's jolly nature that brought down Buu's power.[/quote]

I don't argue that because it has some sense!!

Cheers

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Gotta love those attempts to justify the movies' utterly screwed logic.

Agreed. Especially after my "Tree of Might" comment I figured we'd stop using movie logic into "who's stronger than whom" discussion.