The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiga]

SSJ3 adult Kakarotto ( after Boo saga ) Vs Super N 17

Remember Super N17 is not match for Kakarotto SSJ4. Kakarotto SSJ gave him plenty of power to absorb from the very beginning of the fight to finish with a kamehameha x 10 also absorbed.

Goku gets stomped hard. Base GT Goku > SS3 Z Goku.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

SSJ3 adult Kakarotto ( after Boo saga ) Vs Super N 17

Remember Super N17 is not match for Kakarotto SSJ4. Kakarotto SSJ gave him plenty of power to absorb from the very beginning of the fight to finish with a kamehameha x 10 also absorbed.

Goku gets stomped hard. Base GT Goku > SS3 Z Goku.

If Base PL was really this high in GT, even SSJ would be enough to smash any opponent. Seeing how the multiplier does not go down. We must consider this. I honestly believe Base GT Goku > SSJ3 Z Goku is a little fanatical.

[Saiga]

No, cause the GT enemies are just equally overpowered.

[MDSTSSJ]

SSJ3 adult Kakarotto ( after Boo saga ) Vs Super N 17

Remember Super N17 is not match for Kakarotto SSJ4. Kakarotto SSJ gave him plenty of power to absorb from the very beginning of the fight to finish with a kamehameha x 10 also absorbed.

Goku gets stomped hard. Base GT Goku > SS3 Z Goku.

If Base PL was really this high in GT, even SSJ would be enough to smash any opponent. Seeing how the multiplier does not go down. We must consider this. I honestly believe Base GT Goku > SSJ3 Z Goku is a little fanatical.

Is not little fanatical my friend. Kakarotto is a little bit stronger than the original Boo in DBZ.

Original Boo power = Oob power at the very end of DBZ. Just he don't know how to use it. If you remember at the beginning of GT, Kakarotto base fight with no problem against Ubb full power. So, after training with Oob ( 3 years if I'm not mistaken ) , Kakarotto base power is at least SSJ3. Kakarotto training Obb = One hell of a sparring = More power gained.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Bebi Ultimate Gohan with energy from everyone on Earth and possessed GT Saiya-Jin cast including GT Vegeta against GT adult/ kid Gokuu who can only go SSJ3 w/ no tail potara fused with GT Vegeta as a hypothetical GT Vegito.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Base GT Vegetto Stomps.... Hard.....

[Rocketman]

Vegetto loses because he is only half-Goku.

[dbzfan7]

Vegetto loses because he is only half-Goku.

lol I love the Goku only GT rule. The jokes surrounding are always funny

Anyways I may have used this before but

Max Power Muten Roshi(no drawbacks) vs DB/Z

I know he won't get too far but his Max power form did the best feat in DB. So applying it with no draw backs such as speed or endurance, how would he do.

Also how about

SSJ2 Gohan (if he trained like Goku/Vegeta over the 7 years) vs Fat Boo

[TheMightyOzaru]

Roshi couldn't handle anyone... Accept Chaozu at the very beginning.
Probably Gohan if he got angry enough.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Vegetto loses because he is only half-Goku.

lol I love the Goku only GT rule. The jokes surrounding are always funny

Anyways I may have used this before but

Max Power Muten Roshi(no drawbacks) vs DB/Z

I know he won't get too far but his Max power form did the best feat in DB. So applying it with no draw backs such as speed or endurance, how would he do.

Also how about

SSJ2 Gohan (if he trained like Goku/Vegeta over the 7 years) vs Fat Boo

I'm willing to bet SSJ2 Adult Gohan would have been stronger than Majin Vegeta SSJ2, probably twice as strong as him. That's if Gohan trained though.

But Gohan STILL would have been no match to Buu without reaching SSJ3. In my power level list, I have Fat Majin Buu at a 5/1 ratio in strength, 5x stronger than Majin Vegeta. So Gohan would require a heckuva lot of training.

[MDSTSSJ]

Vegetto loses because he is only half-Goku.

lol I love the Goku only GT rule. The jokes surrounding are always funny

Anyways I may have used this before but

Max Power Muten Roshi(no drawbacks) vs DB/Z

I know he won't get too far but his Max power form did the best feat in DB. So applying it with no draw backs such as speed or endurance, how would he do.

Also how about

SSJ2 Gohan (if he trained like Goku/Vegeta over the 7 years) vs Fat Boo

In my power level list, I have Fat Majin Buu at a 5/1 ratio in strength, 5x stronger than Majin Vegeta.

That´s toooooooo much power for Fat Boo. If SSJ3 is 4 times stronger that SSJ2, Fat Boo is at least 2 or 3 times stronger that Majin Vegeta. Nothing more I think!

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

That´s toooooooo much power for Fat Boo. If SSJ3 is 4 times stronger that SSJ2, Fat Boo is at least 2 or 3 times stronger that Majin Vegeta. Nothing more I think![/quote]

Well, I tend to think SSJ3 is more of an increase than 4x. I've even considered 10x before. I mean just based on reactions others have while Goku is powering up, or the fact that Supreme Kai was able to sense this form all the way from his planet is another thing. If SSJ3 was really only 4x that of a SSJ2, you think Gohan or Supreme Kai would have been able to feel Goku's SSJ2 from that planet?

This is also why I tend to believe SSJ2 kid Gohan is a lot stronger than 2x his SSJ form. C'mon, just 2 punches and Cell was about ready to kick the bucket? hahaha, Gohan had him sick to the stomach that he puked out #18 and regressed to his previous form. THAT'S A LOT OF POWER

I think these multiplications need more thought.

And there are moments where I can tell you someone is twice as strong as another opponent; yet at the same time, isn't as effective as Gohan was with Cell. SSJ2 is probably 5x, and SSJ3 is 10x. Thats my conclusion. Shoot, here comes another revision on my PL List (sigh......)

[Rocketman]

Well, I tend to think SSJ3 is more of an increase than 4x. I've even considered 10x before. I mean just based on reactions others have while Goku is powering up, or the fact that Supreme Kai was able to sense this form all the way from his planet is another thing. If SSJ3 was really only 4x that of a SSJ2, you think Gohan or Supreme Kai would have been able to feel Goku's SSJ2 from that planet?

Yes. Cell used Instant Transmission to return to Earth after exploding, and IT requires you to sense a ki at your destination.

[MDSTSSJ]

That´s toooooooo much power for Fat Boo. If SSJ3 is 4 times stronger that SSJ2, Fat Boo is at least 2 or 3 times stronger that Majin Vegeta. Nothing more I think!

Well, I tend to think SSJ3 is more of an increase than 4x. I've even considered 10x before. I mean just based on reactions others have while Goku is powering up, or the fact that Supreme Kai was able to sense this form all the way from his planet is another thing. If SSJ3 was really only 4x that of a SSJ2, you think Gohan or Supreme Kai would have been able to feel Goku's SSJ2 from that planet?

This is also why I tend to believe SSJ2 kid Gohan is a lot stronger than 2x his SSJ form. C'mon, just 2 punches and Cell was about ready to kick the bucket? hahaha, Gohan had him sick to the stomach that he puked out #18 and regressed to his previous form. THAT'S A LOT OF POWER

I think these multiplications need more thought.

And there are moments where I can tell you someone is twice as strong as another opponent; yet at the same time, isn't as effective as Gohan was with Cell. SSJ2 is probably 5x, and SSJ3 is 10x. Thats my conclusion. Shoot, here comes another revision on my PL List (sigh......)[/quote]



I really like your point believe me but, here my thoughts: Many people like to think that when someone increases their powers, they have 8 or 10 times than before, and that's a complete error to me.

2 times stronger it´s a lot of power ( yes, that power puked out #18 and regressed Cell to his previous form ).

4 times stronger is way more power ( yes, Gohan or Supreme Kai have been able to feel Goku's SSJ3 from that planet )

8 or 10 times stronger is overpower rate at SSJ4 level ( above SSJ3 ). Omega Shenron fused with the other 6 Dragons ( above normal SSJ4 ), and Gogeta SSJ4 ( above Omega Shenron fused ).

Omega Shenron after fusion said it was at least 10 times stronger than before. If we consider fusion with the other 6 Dragons, the result of 10 times stronger is not exaggeration.

The power of 2 fused powerful rivals SSJ4, is an unimaginable power!!

Note: I know is GT but, these are examples only!

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

There is even a power level list somewhere on daizenshuu that has SSJ Gohan at 2 billion, and then SSJ2 Gohan at like 10 billion. I need to find where that is, but I remember seeing it. I don't care if its not official, but that list makes a lot more sense than anything else I've seen.

[MDSTSSJ]

There is even a power level list somewhere on daizenshuu that has SSJ Gohan at 2 billion, and then SSJ2 Gohan at like 10 billion. I need to find where that is, but I remember seeing it. I don't care if its not official, but that list makes a lot more sense than anything else I've seen.

This is not the list which you speak but, will serve! Oh yes, is in japanese je je. Would be good to take that to the translation thread but don't know if there already be translated here.



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[Saiga]

There is even a power level list somewhere on daizenshuu that has SSJ Gohan at 2 billion, and then SSJ2 Gohan at like 10 billion. I need to find where that is, but I remember seeing it. I don't care if its not official, but that list makes a lot more sense than anything else I've seen.

To me, that doesn't make sense. A 5x gap is too much. We never really saw Gohan fight seriously but we did see that he was able to put up a fight against suppressed Cell. I don't think his full power would be so significant that Gohan would need more than a 2x boost to top that. Even if he did, he also draws strength from his anger, so the SS2 multiplier doesn't need to be more than 2x.

[Fox666]

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[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Well, I tend to think SSJ3 is more of an increase than 4x. I've even considered 10x before. I mean just based on reactions others have while Goku is powering up, or the fact that Supreme Kai was able to sense this form all the way from his planet is another thing. If SSJ3 was really only 4x that of a SSJ2, you think Gohan or Supreme Kai would have been able to feel Goku's SSJ2 from that planet?

Yes. Cell used Instant Transmission to return to Earth after exploding, and IT requires you to sense a ki at your destination.

Well first of all, King Kai's planet is not far from Earth. Goku was able to sense ki from another Galaxy in the first Broly Movie. However based on Kabito's description on the location of this Kai Planet, it's likely not even close to any of the 4 main galaxies in DBZ. And when Goku transformed to SSJ3, Kabito was shocked to have been able to sense his power from so far away, and he thought nobody, not even Buu would be powerful enough to have a ki signal shoot that far. Apparently this means fat buu was weaker than SSJ3 Goku by quite a bit.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

There is even a power level list somewhere on daizenshuu that has SSJ Gohan at 2 billion, and then SSJ2 Gohan at like 10 billion. I need to find where that is, but I remember seeing it. I don't care if its not official, but that list makes a lot more sense than anything else I've seen.

No there is not. The only time the multiplier of the Super Saiyan 2 and 3 have ever been listed is the Super Exciting Guide, which says the Super Saiyan 2 is 2 times stronger than a Super Saiyan, and the Super Saiyan 3 is 4 times stronger than a Super Saiyan 2.

I still don't believe SSJ3 being 4x. I eventually got around to believing SSJ2 being 2x SSJ1, but you almost have to lowball Cell's PL just to have it make sense.