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Post by Kendamu » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:46 am

ringworm128 wrote:Does anyone have a clip of his Zechs voice? I'm curious to hear it.
Here's the very first result for "Gundam Wing Zechs" on YouTube. It's action-heavy, but I checked for English. Related videos should get you other examples.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:34 am

Durmmond almost used two different voices. Comparing what Drummond started off with* to what he eventually used for the Westwood dub...I mean, yeah, they're not incredibly different, but definitely enough to be noticeable.

In any event, I'm sure I've said this somewhere before, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record. However, the reason I love both Drummond and Sabat's versions of Vegeta is because that gravelly sound they have is, to me, reminiscent of a growling beast. So that gravelly sound works both as a reminder of the savagery of the Saiyan race, and as a subtle nod to a Saiyan's Oozaru form. Considering that Vegeta is the prince, someone who was supposed to inherit and further that race's legacy, it seems fitting that his voice should--at least partially--symbolize his race as a whole, which makes it all the more fitting (in my opinion). It also makes for an interesting contrast to his character in the end when he finally accepts that Goku is stronger than him, not to mention a powerful reminder of how far he has come.

*Fast-forward to 1:00.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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Re: Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be coming.

Post by Attitudefan » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:48 am

TheBlackPaladin wrote:Durmmond almost used two different voices. Comparing what Drummond started off with* to what he eventually used for the Westwood dub...I mean, yeah, they're not incredibly different, but definitely enough to be noticeable.

In any event, I'm sure I've said this somewhere before, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record. However, the reason I love both Drummond and Sabat's versions of Vegeta is because that gravelly sound they have is, to me, reminiscent of a growling beast. So that gravelly sound works both as a reminder of the savagery of the Saiyan race, and as a subtle nod to a Saiyan's Oozaru form. Considering that Vegeta is the prince, someone who was supposed to inherit and further that race's legacy, it seems fitting that his voice should--at least partially--symbolize his race as a whole, which makes it all the more fitting (in my opinion). It also makes for an interesting contrast to his character in the end when he finally accepts that Goku is stronger than him, not to mention a powerful reminder of how far he has come.

*Fast-forward to 1:00.
He said that Vegeta was the only character that blew his voice out for 2-3 days. He said he realized that he can't keep doing that and go all out with the screaming and the way it sounded----so he changed how it sounded a little and didn't scream with as much intensity as he did. DBZ was his second dub he ever did and wanted to show what he could do; but having no voice for a day or 2 hurts his chances of getting a job. Makes sense, yes? That's why we love his earlier voice for Vegeta because it was intense.
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Post by Ringworm128 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:43 am

I hope we get at least one intense scream for the Kai dub.

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Attitudefan wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote:Durmmond almost used two different voices. Comparing what Drummond started off with* to what he eventually used for the Westwood dub...I mean, yeah, they're not incredibly different, but definitely enough to be noticeable.

In any event, I'm sure I've said this somewhere before, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record. However, the reason I love both Drummond and Sabat's versions of Vegeta is because that gravelly sound they have is, to me, reminiscent of a growling beast. So that gravelly sound works both as a reminder of the savagery of the Saiyan race, and as a subtle nod to a Saiyan's Oozaru form. Considering that Vegeta is the prince, someone who was supposed to inherit and further that race's legacy, it seems fitting that his voice should--at least partially--symbolize his race as a whole, which makes it all the more fitting (in my opinion). It also makes for an interesting contrast to his character in the end when he finally accepts that Goku is stronger than him, not to mention a powerful reminder of how far he has come.

*Fast-forward to 1:00.
He said that Vegeta was the only character that blew his voice out for 2-3 days. He said he realized that he can't keep doing that and go all out with the screaming and the way it sounded----so he changed how it sounded a little and didn't scream with as much intensity as he did. DBZ was his second dub he ever did and wanted to show what he could do; but having no voice for a day or 2 hurts his chances of getting a job. Makes sense, yes?
Makes total sense. A voice actor with a blown-out voice is like a soccer player with a broken leg...and one does need to pay the bills on time.

Although, while we're on the subject of his two somewhat different voices for Vegeta...I wonder if his screams will be more like this or more like this. Either way, I can see why he'd write "larynx=hamburger."
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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Post by Attitudefan » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:50 pm

Second for sure. But I can't say for sure. I mean, the directors could force him to go all out. But it'll probably more along the lines of the FInal Flash clip.
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Post by Solidus » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:32 am

Attitudefan wrote:Second for sure. But I can't say for sure. I mean, the directors could force him to go all out. But it'll probably more along the lines of the FInal Flash clip.
I agree, I doubt we'll get anything like the 1996 dub. It will definitely be more in line with the Westwood dub. The directors could force to go all out though despite Drummond's departure from those intense screams. Although there was times during Death Note when it sounded like he was pushing himself. I wonder though if he was referring to any particular scene with that tweet about larynx=hamburger or could it just be voicing the character in general. If we're talking Buu arc all I can think of is Vegeta's sacrifice but they're probably already past that point.

Also for anyone that's interested Brian Drummond, Brad Swaile and Brendan Hunter will be at Fan Expo Vancover in April. Maybe they will be able to talk about a certain project. http://www.fanexpovancouver.com/guests

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Post by NitroEX » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:37 am

Damn I wish I lived in Canada. So many awesome guests at that expo that I'de love to meet. :x

Hopefully someone does ask them about Ocean Kai.

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TheBlackPaladin wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote:Durmmond almost used two different voices. Comparing what Drummond started off with* to what he eventually used for the Westwood dub...I mean, yeah, they're not incredibly different, but definitely enough to be noticeable.

In any event, I'm sure I've said this somewhere before, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record. However, the reason I love both Drummond and Sabat's versions of Vegeta is because that gravelly sound they have is, to me, reminiscent of a growling beast. So that gravelly sound works both as a reminder of the savagery of the Saiyan race, and as a subtle nod to a Saiyan's Oozaru form. Considering that Vegeta is the prince, someone who was supposed to inherit and further that race's legacy, it seems fitting that his voice should--at least partially--symbolize his race as a whole, which makes it all the more fitting (in my opinion). It also makes for an interesting contrast to his character in the end when he finally accepts that Goku is stronger than him, not to mention a powerful reminder of how far he has come.

*Fast-forward to 1:00.
He said that Vegeta was the only character that blew his voice out for 2-3 days. He said he realized that he can't keep doing that and go all out with the screaming and the way it sounded----so he changed how it sounded a little and didn't scream with as much intensity as he did. DBZ was his second dub he ever did and wanted to show what he could do; but having no voice for a day or 2 hurts his chances of getting a job. Makes sense, yes?
Makes total sense. A voice actor with a blown-out voice is like a soccer player with a broken leg...and one does need to pay the bills on time.

Although, while we're on the subject of his two somewhat different voices for Vegeta...I wonder if his screams will be more like this or more like this. Either way, I can see why he'd write "larynx=hamburger."
Because his voice is now horse? :lol:
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Post by Fennekin » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:31 pm

NitroEX wrote:Damn I wish I lived in Canada. So many awesome guests at that expo that I'de love to meet. :x

Hopefully someone does ask them about Ocean Kai.
I'd laugh if no one asked about it. It should be the most asked question.

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Post by Attitudefan » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:43 pm

Fennekin wrote:
NitroEX wrote:Damn I wish I lived in Canada. So many awesome guests at that expo that I'de love to meet. :x

Hopefully someone does ask them about Ocean Kai.
I'd laugh if no one asked about it. It should be the most asked question.
Haha, one of my friends at the gym was like "that's Vegeta! Cool!" Yeah.... Canada's awesome :)
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:44 am

It's 2013 already.. So is the Ocean Dub Kai really coming along?
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Post by Fizzer » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:29 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:It's 2013 already.. So is the Ocean Dub Kai really coming along?
I believe we're expecting an announcement in March, when the forced secrecy of the project apparently expires.

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dbboxkaifan wrote:It's 2013 already.. So is the Ocean Dub Kai really coming along?
I believe we're expecting an announcement in March, when the forced secrecy of the project apparently expires.
I'm surprised about how air-tight this production has been. Even the CIA couldn't cover up their involvement in Nicaragua.
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Post by Fennekin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:45 pm

Do we know for sure they'll reveal more in March? They may choose to keep it udner wraps for even longer until they land a network deal. Perhaps until a DVD release.

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Post by Solidus » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:12 pm

Fennekin wrote:Do we know for sure they'll reveal more in March? They may choose to keep it udner wraps for even longer until they land a network deal. Perhaps until a DVD release.
We don't know if we will get an official announcement or not in March. The NDA is up then so the voice actors will be able to talk about it freely. It wouldn't really make sense letting the voice actors talk about the dub in detail without as much as an acknowledgement that the company even has the license for the show. As well as that a lot of us would agree that it would be a good marketing move to announce the thing next month to take advantage of the Battle of Gods hype. MangaUK has expressed interest in releasing DBZ Kai so they don't have any excuses in looking for someone to distribute the DVD's. You might be right though, they may decide to wait longer to announce it but we will get some information about it from the voice actors, we may even be lucky enough that they could say who the producers are.
Also MCM expo is on the 16th and 17th of March so if the producers are in fact the UK license holders of Kai there is a slim chance we may hear something then.

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Post by linkdude20002001 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:55 pm

I've been thinking, and I've come to the conclusion that Funimation is the company in charge of the Ocean dub of Kai. Why else would they be re-releasing the old Ocean dub (unless that new DVD set is Kai)? Why else would we have first heard about it from Sean Schemmel? Why else would Funimation have hired Ocean Productions to make the edited version (unless they do that for all their shows that are edited for broadcast)?
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:30 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:I've been thinking, and I've come to the conclusion that Funimation is the company in charge of the Ocean dub of Kai. Why else would they be re-releasing the old Ocean dub (unless that new DVD set is Kai)? Why else would we have first heard about it from Sean Schemmel? Why else would Funimation have hired Ocean Productions to make the edited version (unless they do that for all their shows that are edited for broadcast)?
That's an interesting theory...and one that, upon further reflection, I could see being the case.

Clearly FUNimation knew the Ocean dub of Kai was happening for a while, because Sean Schemmel mentioned that the existence of the Ocean dub was "strict internal FUNimation info." I figured that Toei merely made them aware of the dub so that there would be no surprises or confusion when FUNimation found out about an English dub other than their own. It would prove particularly chaotic if, not knowing about the Ocean dub, they tried to secure a TV deal in Canada (and ran into a, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S ANOTHER ENGLISH DUB!?"-type situation).

On the other hand, it still doesn't explain everything. For example, the producers of the Ocean dub of Kai have been instructing the Ocean dub voice actors (according to Scott McNeil and Kirbopher) to pronounce Namek as "Nah-mek," whereas the FUNimation dub continued to pronounce it the way they always have. Why a subtle change like that if FUNimation is in charge?

This dub is so damn mysterious....
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Post by Attitudefan » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:32 pm

Maybe the directors are purists. Maybe they have better dubbing practises or stricter dubbing practises than Funimation.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:35 pm

Attitudefan wrote:Maybe the directors are purists. Maybe they have better dubbing practises or stricter dubbing practises than Funimation.
Possible, sure. The Westwood dub, despite pretty much copying FUNimation's script verbatim, pronounced Videl as "Vee-del," whereas the FUNimation dub pronounces it, "Vih-del." So minor differences in pronunciation have happened before despite using the same script.

Then again, McNeil did specifically cite "the producers" as being the ones responsible for the "nah-mek" thing.
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