SSJ God Form?
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Good thing it hasn't come to that point, then.
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I dunno, I think people echoing the Early Christian theological debates on the nature of Jesus as applied to Gotenks is well past there.
"He is fully Saiyan, as humans are corrupted!"
"Then where did the humanity go? No, he is clearly half-human, half-Saiyan"
"Doesn't that make him less than either?"
"No, see, it's like a centaur is half-human, half-horse, but is also a completely new thing."
"Guys, what if he's a pure human, who was adopted by Goku?"
"He is fully Saiyan, as humans are corrupted!"
"Then where did the humanity go? No, he is clearly half-human, half-Saiyan"
"Doesn't that make him less than either?"
"No, see, it's like a centaur is half-human, half-horse, but is also a completely new thing."
"Guys, what if he's a pure human, who was adopted by Goku?"
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I have no idea how you're trying to belittle me and my opinions using theological references, but I've made my statements as to how it's possible. Feel free to believe what you will, I suppose, but there's nothing to really say all Saiya-Jins, or even half-Saiya-Jins for that matter, can achieve this state. I think even the Daizenshuu is making a generalisation based merely on Gokuu's feats.
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Goten is a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling. Trunks is a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling. They merge, and the result is Gotenks, a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling. Gotenks can go Super Saiyan 3. There is no official source that says that only full Saiyans can go Super Saiyan 3, it's the opposite. We see Goku (Saiyan) & Gotenks (Saiyan/Earthling Halfling) going Super Saiyan 3, and in video games, we also see Vegeta, Broli, Future Trunks, and Trunks as Super Saiyan 3. I seriously can't understand your logic. It makes zero sense, and it's based on absolutely nothing.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Mmm what about more Saiyan blood percentage due to the Fusion? Is just a randomly thoughDBZGTKOSDH wrote:Goten is a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling. Trunks is a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling. They merge, and the result is Gotenks, a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling. Gotenks can go Super Saiyan 3. There is no official source that says that only full Saiyans can go Super Saiyan 3, it's the opposite. We see Goku (Saiyan) & Gotenks (Saiyan/Earthling Halfling) going Super Saiyan 3, and in video games, we also see Vegeta, Broli, Future Trunks, and Trunks as Super Saiyan 3. I seriously can't understand your logic. It makes zero sense, and it's based on absolutely nothing.
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Chuquita wrote:I kind of hope he does get his tail back for this form. >_> Adult Goku with his tail (and not in ssj4) would be nice to see imo. I felt kinda cheated with it in GT where the only base-form Goku with tail that I got was at the very end of the series and the very end of the last ED animation.
Yes. Goku with a tail.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"
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Again, this doesn't make any sense. By that logic, why should Gotenks be a full Saiyan and not a full Earthling?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Like I've said: Gotenkusu is a magical entity; he was a manifestation of ki and idealisations between the boys, which is why he can do things like create sentient ghosts. He can go SSJ3 because they wanted him to; he's a magical entity and is an exception to the rule; heck, it seems possible he /skipped/ SSJ2 and went straight to 3 merely because he wanted to follow Gokuu but didn't really understand it.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I seriously can't understand your logic.
The idea that all Saiya-Jins/ hybrids can transcend SSJ the same way, if at all, let alone SSJ2, is based on very little but Daizenshuu which half the SSJ articles (and others) make conclusions in the perspective based entirely what they think /seemed/ to happen instead of what 'is'; as in, it's just their publicised theory and shouldn't be taken as absolute truth, and fans just go with it without much thought or imagination.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It makes zero sense, and it's based on absolutely nothing.
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First of all, why should Super Saiyan 3 be exclusive to full Saiyans only?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Because only a pure Saiya-Jin/ a special circumstance reached it; similar reason Goten and Torankusu can't possibly become Oozarus. But, personally, I'd like to believe that not even all pure Saiya-Jins could reach it, either; it seems possibly a supernatural state with Gokuu and Gotenkusu.
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But Gotenks is a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling. There is nothing that says otherwise. Goten and Trunks couldn't transform into Oozaru because they were born without tail, because they didn't need the tail, since they were born with the a very high battle power and the ability to transform into Super Saiyan.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Or maybe because they were born with some human-dominant traits, such as purple hair instead of black/ brown Saiya-Jin hair or no tails/ ability to transform Oozaru.
Gotenks isn't anything but a being created by ki between the two boys by fusion technique; there is nothing that says /what/ his blood is; he wasn't born from a human mother and a Saiya-Jin father the same way the boys were; he was born out of thin air, or magical means, so I personally don't see why it can't be possible.
Gotenks isn't anything but a being created by ki between the two boys by fusion technique; there is nothing that says /what/ his blood is; he wasn't born from a human mother and a Saiya-Jin father the same way the boys were; he was born out of thin air, or magical means, so I personally don't see why it can't be possible.
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Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Or maybe because they were born with some human-dominant traits, such as purple hair instead of black/ brown Saiya-Jin hair or no tails/ ability to transform Oozaru.
Daizenshuu 4 wrote:The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.
Akira Toriyama wrote:(9) Why don't Goten and Trunks have tails?
- Kakarotto, Via Internet
T: It seams that tails are a recessive genetic trait.
(12) What happened to Vegeta's tail after he was defeated on Earth?
- Marc LaCroix, Nova Scotia, Canada
T: The tail lets you gain tremendous strength instantly by transforming into a giant ape, but the risks are equally great--you'll lose your strength if it's squeezed. Once you're as powerful as Vegeta and Goku, the tail just gets in the way. It is thought that the bodies of Saiyans, who are a fighting species, decided that their tails are unnecessary appendages.
Gotenks is the Fusion of Goten & Trunks. He has all of their memories & genetic traits. His appearance is a combination of Goten's & Trunks' physical traits. He is an extremely powerful Saiyan/Earthling Halfling that can go Super Saiyan 3 because he is stronger than Goku, and because he has seen Goku doing it. He trained for a week, achieved the transformation, created three creative techniques along with a bunch of stupid techniques, and got stronger. I don't understand why you make things so complicated, when everything is so clear. Why should Super Saiyan 3 be exclusive to Goku & Gotenks? Gohan hardly did any serious training, and Vegeta didn't even imagine its existence, not to mention that he wasn't even as strong as Goku was. Gotenks was way stronger than Goku, so it should obviously be a lot easier for him to do it. You complicate simple things for no reason.Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:Gotenks isn't anything but a being created by ki between the two boys by fusion technique; there is nothing that says /what/ his blood is; he wasn't born from a human mother and a Saiya-Jin father the same way the boys were; he was born out of thin air, or magical means, so I personally don't see why it can't be possible.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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There is nothing complicated about what I said...
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Instead of arguing about the baseless pure blood only theory here, I'll make a thread for it.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
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You can't really interpret that so exactly as "Goku, as an individual being, transforms into a new stage called "Super Saiyan God" that will be an advancement on Super Saiyan of similar class to Super Saiyan 4. Enter power levels debate." There could be fusion involved, there could be ritual involved, there could be a new character involved, there could be some other weird aspect involved. It may be entirely transcendent in some manor. This has been interpreted in a very narrow way far too quickly.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The trailer showed us Goku transforming into a Super Saiyan God (but we didn't see him transformed), so it's a new transformation for Goku.Duo wrote:We don't know if "Super Saiyan God" refers to a transformation or a new character or a fusion yet. Kinda makes debating its power level meaningless.
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SSJ God > Superman Prime. ;o
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I wouldn't get your hopes up there. You'll just end up disappointing yourself.Hitiro wrote:SSJ God > Superman Prime. ;o
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It was a joke, lol.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I wouldn't get your hopes up there. You'll just end up disappointing yourself.Hitiro wrote:SSJ God > Superman Prime. ;o
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Screwattack may need to do another video ^_^TheMightyOzaru wrote:I wouldn't get your hopes up there. You'll just end up disappointing yourself.Hitiro wrote:SSJ God > Superman Prime. ;o
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