The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:28 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:King Kai's planet is not far from Earth.
Kaio's planet is in the Afterlife, while Earth is in the Living World. That makes a huge, huge, huuuuge distance.

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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:29 pm

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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:There is even a power level list somewhere on daizenshuu that has SSJ Gohan at 2 billion, and then SSJ2 Gohan at like 10 billion. I need to find where that is, but I remember seeing it. I don't care if its not official, but that list makes a lot more sense than anything else I've seen.
To me, that doesn't make sense. A 5x gap is too much. We never really saw Gohan fight seriously but we did see that he was able to put up a fight against suppressed Cell. I don't think his full power would be so significant that Gohan would need more than a 2x boost to top that. Even if he did, he also draws strength from his anger, so the SS2 multiplier doesn't need to be more than 2x.
Then that just may be my solution to all this nonsense... 2x does make sense for Goku and Vegeta.. but I always thought it was strange how only 2 punches wiped the floor with full power Cell, and there was not even a 1.5x difference between his and Cell's power. Because Cell does power up after Gohan transforms.
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Post by Kaboom » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:32 pm

It's almost like power gaps aren't consistent, or something.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:42 pm

SS2 Gohan from the Cell Games is most likely more than 2 times stronger from the SS Gohan we saw, since he was more angry than he ever was. His anger always gave him insane boosts of power.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:55 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:SS2 Gohan from the Cell Games is most likely more than 2 times stronger from the SS Gohan we saw, since he was more angry than he ever was. His anger always gave him insane boosts of power.
Especially in Namek saga. Gohan went from most likely weaker than 30,000 Vegeta, all the way to hurting Frieza whom is over 1,000,000, in an instant with his anger. While SSJ2 is 2x, I think his anger made double fold over again. And who knows, he may have pulled out more than that.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:04 pm

I also don't see any problem with the x4 multiplier for Super Saiyan 3. Goku's power in Super Saiyan 2 was already huge, and a x4 increase is a huge increase for his level.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:29 pm

Fox666 wrote:
Kaboom wrote:It's almost like power gaps aren't consistent, or something.
No way!

And why even bother with a power-up? Let's see a pratical example... Goku had a battle power of "over 16,000" when using the Kaio-ken, and can't overcome Vegeta. Then Vegeta does a massive power-up like the entire planet was shaking, so we can find out later his battle power is only 18,000?
Even Nappa made Earth shake upon powering up. He was no more than 4,000 (vs. the other Z fighters, before he was maxed out), and they were like "the whole planet is shaking!!"

And same thing happens when Goku goes SSJ3.. Tien in that desert made a similar comment "what is going on, the whole world is shaking!"

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Post by MDSTSSJ » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I also don't see any problem with the x4 multiplier for Super Saiyan 3. Goku's power in Super Saiyan 2 was already huge, and a x4 increase is a huge increase for his level.
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Post by DannyDBZfanforever » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:58 pm

Just a curious question, for personal interest:

First fight - Super Perfect Cell (manga ver) vs Gohan, Goten and Goku (the same trio from the end of DBZ Movie 10)

Second Fight - Super Perfect Cell (anime/ games ver) vs Gohan, Goten and Goku (the same trio from the end of DBZ Movie 10)

and finally:

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (cell games) vs Gohan, Goten and Goku (the same trio from the end of DBZ Movie 10)
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Post by Angelus » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:32 pm

Base Gogeta VS Buuhan

No blowing up of planets, candy beam, or absorbing.
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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:56 pm

Angelus wrote:Base Gogeta VS Buuhan

No blowing up of planets, candy beam, or absorbing.
Everyone's going to say Buuhan; does Kaiou-ken count?
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:10 pm

Base Gogeta gets slaughtered. I don't think he can match Innocent Buu in base form. his SSJ form though would put him passed Buuhan.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:17 pm

DannyDBZfanforever wrote:Just a curious question, for personal interest:

First fight - Super Perfect Cell (manga ver) vs Gohan, Goten and Goku (the same trio from the end of DBZ Movie 10)

Second Fight - Super Perfect Cell (anime/ games ver) vs Gohan, Goten and Goku (the same trio from the end of DBZ Movie 10)

and finally:

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (cell games) vs Gohan, Goten and Goku (the same trio from the end of DBZ Movie 10)
Super Perfect Cell wins all and so does SSJ2 Gohan. I consider movie 10 Gohan below Cell and since Goten and Goku are SSJ's they would get one shot. Unless Goku had SSJ2 during movie 10 as some speculate, then the trio loses all 3 match ups.
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Post by Saiga » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:32 pm

Fox666 wrote:Frankly I think the difference beetween Gogeta and Gotenks would be the same beetween Goku or Vegeta and the kids. So I give this to Boo, even if Gogeta was a Super Saiyan 3.
I agree.

For the fights with Goku, Gohan and Goten, I don't think Goku was even there, just an image. So I've got to give those matches to Cell and Kid Gohan.
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:49 pm

Fox666 wrote:Frankly I think the difference beetween Gogeta and Gotenks would be the same beetween Goku or Vegeta and the kids. So I give this to Boo, even if Gogeta was a Super Saiyan 3.
Mmm that´s don´t make any sense. If two kids SSJ1 can transform in to SSJ3, two adults SSJ2 also become in to SSJ3 but with a huge difference of powers. Gogeta SSJ3, wipe out Boohan with one single punch. Even Gogeta in SSJ2. With Gogeta SSJ1 would be a close fight!
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Post by Kaboom » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:53 pm

I think Gogeta would need Super Saiyan 2 to pull off a win against Gohan-Boo. Super Saiyan 3 would turn it from a challenging fight into downright overkill.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Super Vegetto vs Legendary Super Saiyan 3 Broli (Video Games)

That's the LSS Broli that could fight on par with Super Saiyan Gogeta, but 8 times stronger (since he is SS3 now). Can Super Vegetto beat him?

Rule: Vegetto is not Goku X Vegeta.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by DannyDBZfanforever » Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:02 pm

Vegetto will be defeated. The divine protection of Toei and Bandai who conceals saint Broly is too strong for the sowrd of light and justice of Vegetto, through the shell of the legendary super saiyan, :lolno: :lolno: in other words, in DBZ Budokai 3 Broly is invincible. A super saiyan 3 broly is just 8 times invincible. :lol:
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