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Silkman3003
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by Silkman3003 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:43 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheRed259 wrote:@DBZGTKOSDH Don't count that much on those DragonBall SD pages .
Knowing SD's nature, everything except from the SD gags will most likely make it in the movie.
Silkman3003 wrote:People are saying that because we already see in the newer trailer that SSJ/SSJ2 Goku and Birusu actually exchange blows against each other(we know that their first battle was on king kai's planet), and the fact that Birusu resorts to using a supernova like attack against SSJ/SSJ2 Goku in space , instead of just stomping him like he did earlier. That and the much focus to his SSJ form.
Unless you're strictly arguing SSJ3 Goku vs Gohan. And using this version of goku before he fought Bills again.
I'm not talking about the final battle in space, since there is obviously something strange with Goku & the whole Super Saiyan God thing. I'm talking exclusively about the first fight, which is Boo arc SS3 Goku + 2 years training.
Did the official BOG site not say something about Gohan being the strongest saiyan, in his character bio? Or something of that like? Or was that simply a mistranslation?
I could have sworn that in a much earlier page(when the character bios were beingg revealed) someone posted that info, to which people started to theorize that Gohan would play a bigger role than they originally thought because of the revelation(though this doesn't seem to be the case now)
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by oXdanXo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:13 pm
Do we know the last figure in the DWC/WCF line for the movie?
Next to get; Leged of Saiyan figures and Freeza's force
If anyone sees
Any of the Legend of Saiyan line going cheapish
Or any other Banpresto DBZ figure
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by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:16 pm
oXdanXo wrote:Do we know the last figure in the DWC/WCF line for the movie?
Almost certain that it's
Super Saiyan God.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:06 pm
Silkman3003 wrote:Did the official BOG site not say something about Gohan being the strongest saiyan, in his character bio? Or something of that like? Or was that simply a mistranslation?
Found it!
Herms wrote:Gohan’s said to have “power surpassing even that of a pure Saiyan”.
So there you have it. It's Gohan > Goku is official. I think that now all the Gohan debates should rest in peace.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by InfernalVegito » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:11 pm
No electricity when SSJ2 or SSJ3. Noooooooo What the hell are they doing?
BT3 off meds |
The final fight
Ah, the Alpha and the Omega. As all life was created from Chaos...so shall it be DESTROYED!!!
The wails of machines | Singing cold harmony | Shifting air upward | Entranced by the breeze | Light pours like blood | Into a cosmic sea | Of stars crystallized | In a frozen symphony
Vegetto kicking you into orbit theme
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:17 pm
Fox666 wrote:I think that is only saying that Saiyan hybrids are stronger (which we already know), it is not saying that as a hybrids Gohan is stronger than all pure Saiyans...
No, it says power, not dormant power. When someone says that X has more power than Y, then X is stronger.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:33 pm
We'll just have to wait for the movie to see who's stronger, Vegeta didn't get beat by a flick does that mean he's stronger than SSJ3 Goku? Unless Gohans bio said something like "he even has a power surpassing his fathers" I'm not accepting it as it meaning Goku, it might just mean Vegeta, it could mean Goku too, but I cant tell, its too vague. I just think its talking about the Saiyan hybrids strength, Gohans in particular surpassing a pure Saiyans.
sintzu wrote:the old info might be from the dizenshuu but the battle of gods info will be all new
Sorry I should have been clearer. What I meant to say, but forgot to, was that the Chozenshuu might not even mention the forms used in BOG. I hope it does though for the sake of clarification.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:09 pm
Fox666 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Fox666 wrote:I think that is only saying that Saiyan hybrids are stronger (which we already know), it is not saying that as a hybrids Gohan is stronger than all pure Saiyans...
No, it says power, not dormant power. When someone says that X has more power than Y, then X is stronger.
You are reading too much into it.
No, I'm not. It says that Gohan's power surpasses Goku's & Vegeta's power with the most simple worlds they could use.
Herms wrote:Gohan’s said to have “power surpassing even that of a pure Saiyan”.
It doesn't say anything about Saiyan hybrids as far as I know, it says that Gohan has power surpassing even that of a pure Saiyan (Goku & Vegeta). Which means that Gohan's power is greater than that of Goku & Vegeta.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:13 pm
It says "a pure Saiyan" not "all pure Saiyans" it could just be talking about Vegeta.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:21 pm
Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:It says "a pure Saiyan" not "all pure Saiyans" it could just be talking about Vegeta.
We've seen that kind of sentence before, it refers to all the current pure Saiyans, like when a section of the GT Special Animation Comic said that Vegetto is "perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4", or in the GT Perfect Files Vol. #2, it was said that Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was "dozens of times stronger than a Super Saiyan 4", here, Gohan has "power surpassing even that of a pure Saiyan".
Besides, why would they talk about it if they were talking only about Vegeta? It's not like Vegeta is anything special at this point, he is a weakling compared to the top Z-Senshi (Goku, Gohan, Gotenks, Mr. Boo) & the final villains (Majin Boo, Bills).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by bleed0range » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:34 pm
I feel bad for vegeta, he shouldnt be as unerpowered as he is. He deserves a power up of some kind too.... maybe not ssj3... but something unique and the equivalent of it perhaps. With ssj god now he will be incredibly underpowered.
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by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:35 pm
Like I said in my post prior to the one just, I don't take it the same way you do. Why didn't they just say Goku? As you said Vegeta is a "weakling" compared to the top dogs. They could have said "He even has strength surpassing his father" that would work better, because it hasn't flat out mentioned Goku by name I won't accept it yet, especially considering I don't know how the fights in the movie pan out. Birusu could very well say that Gohan is stronger than Goku, he could say the opposite, he might not even mention it. I just wanna wait until I make my decision now.
bleed0range wrote:I feel bad for vegeta, he shouldnt be as unerpowered as he is. He deserves a power up of some kind too.... maybe not ssj3... but something unique and the equivalent of it perhaps.
Maybe he will be quite powerful, I really hope so, it does sadden me that he's below a fair few people now. Atleast Birusu actually hits him and doesn't just flick him away.
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by NeoKING » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:38 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Besides, why would they talk about it if they were talking only about Vegeta? It's not like Vegeta is anything special at this point, he is a weakling compared to the top Z-Senshi (Goku, Gohan, Gotenks, Mr. Boo) & the final villains (Majin Boo, Bills).
Not really, Vegeta is probably one of the best fighters by the end of the Majin Boo conflict. Why? Because he's simply the most practical one. Goku has Super Saiyan 3, but he can't really use it for long in the world of the living and it zaps his Ki like a draining battery, Gohan has the Ultimate form thanks to the Elder Kai Unlock Ability, and he could probably beat Vegeta (considering their both smart, though I'd still say Vegeta's more tactical), Gotenks is a fusion fighter who requires two weaker fighters to perform a dance (which can be interrupted) to form him, and even if he does come into being he tends to be such a clown that it'd stand to reason that only Super Boo's dumb self would have the patience for him and his shennanigans, and outside that he's only good for a 30-minute round. Vegeta has mastery of Super Saiyan 2 thanks to his constant training during peacetime, and even then Vegeta's techniques tend to be of the "I'll finish him off here and now" variety rather than the "Hehe, this is fun, I'll keep more of my power under wraps" way of fighting that Goku employs to keep himself entertained.
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by That_Saiya-Jin_Guy » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:42 pm
“power surpassing even that of a pure Saiyan” That doesn't say Goku or Vegeta, i don't think it even counts their power when in a SSJ form. I think it's saying, his power surpasses a pure Saiyan...like base form Saiyans.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:50 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Fox666 wrote:I think that is only saying that Saiyan hybrids are stronger (which we already know), it is not saying that as a hybrids Gohan is stronger than all pure Saiyans...
No, it says power, not dormant power. When someone says that X has more power than Y, then X is stronger.
It just says pure Saiyan... It's simply reiterating what the Daizensuus say about half breeds. Gohan likely is the strongest of the group, excluding God Goku, but we shouldn't be claiming Gohan is the strongest based on this rather vague statement.
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by eledoremassis02 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:52 pm
SSJ6Goku wrote:
not really interesting but 2 new scans from a TV guide in Japan. DBZ in HD on TV
Nice to see the SaiyanIsland in a non obnoxious place for once
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by SSJ6Goku » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:09 pm
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