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Fixed that for you.Toadster wrote:What if Buu absorbed Vegetto not using a barrier and became Buugetto? How powerful would he be? Could he beat the likes of everybody, ever?
Also, yes.
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He would shit on everyone ever except for maybe Birusu and Ssj God Goku.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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The power jump from Z to GT is ridiculous, as you know. I can maybe see him getting up to Baby Vegeta/SSJ4 Goku level, but Omega Shenron? SSJ4 Gogeta? Not a chance.
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Even assuming Base Goku is around Ssj3 Z Goku's power level, he would still stomp Ssj4 Gogeta.Toadster wrote:The power jump from Z to GT is ridiculous, as you know. I can maybe see him getting up to Baby Vegeta/SSJ4 Goku level, but Omega Shenron? SSJ4 Gogeta? Not a chance.
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I don't even think its possible for Boo to absorb Vegetto. If Boo manages to capture Vegetto into his body with out the barrier then he will be exposed to Boo's insides which means he will defuse.
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Well, he's only got Super Vegetto absorbed, meaning he loses to base GT Goku. If he could access SS3 Vegetto's power, Goku would need Super Saiyan (or Kaio-ken, if he ever used it again) to beat him.Toadster wrote:What if Buu absorbed Vegetto not using a barrier and became Buugetto? How powerful would he be? Could he beat the likes of Baby Vegeta?
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Where does this baseless GT wank come from? Goku would need SSJ to stand a chance against Super Vegetto and thats pushing it.Saiga wrote:Well, he's only got Super Vegetto absorbed, meaning he loses to base GT Goku. If he could access SS3 Vegetto's power, Goku would need Super Saiyan (or Kaio-ken, if he ever used it again) to beat him.Toadster wrote:What if Buu absorbed Vegetto not using a barrier and became Buugetto? How powerful would he be? Could he beat the likes of Baby Vegeta?
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Good point. If he never put the barrier up, would he defuse and Buu just adds Goku and Vegeta's power to his own? For the purposes of this topic though, let's just say that Vegetto only defused because he was conscious/Buu didn't have control over him.
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It's not baseless. GT Goku is haxed through the room. In the anime, Vegetto struggled to stop Boohan when he did that universe distorting thing. Pure Boo is stronger than Boohan, and base GT Goku is stronger than that.TheMightyOzaru wrote: Where does this baseless GT wank come from? Goku would need SSJ to stand a chance against Super Vegetto and thats pushing it.
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Even though it's impossible, if it was possible, then Boo would be strong enough to defeat everyone but SS4 Gogeta & Super Yi Xing Long.
BTW, where exactly was the statement that Pure Boo > all Boo? In which episode & scene?
Pure Boo is not stronger than Gohan Boo, even in the anime.Saiga wrote:It's not baseless. GT Goku is haxed through the room. In the anime, Vegetto struggled to stop Boohan when he did that universe distorting thing. Pure Boo is stronger than Boohan, and base GT Goku is stronger than that.TheMightyOzaru wrote: Where does this baseless GT wank come from? Goku would need SSJ to stand a chance against Super Vegetto and thats pushing it.
BTW, where exactly was the statement that Pure Boo > all Boo? In which episode & scene?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yes he is. He's openly said to be stronger, and anime guidebooks have said he's stronger.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Pure Boo is not stronger than Gohan Boo, even in the anime.
BTW, where exactly was the statement that Pure Boo > all Boo? In which episode & scene?
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Which guidebooks, and what was the exact statement?Saiga wrote:Yes he is. He's openly said to be stronger, and anime guidebooks have said he's stronger.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Herms' says:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Which guidebooks, and what was the exact statement?Saiga wrote:Yes he is. He's openly said to be stronger, and anime guidebooks have said he's stronger.
Herms wrote:Describes the pure Boo as having the smallest and most childlike body out of all the Boos, but also the “most formidable power and ability”. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02.
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Wait a minute, is the whole Pure Boo > all Boo coming from Episode 278? From the scene where Kaioshin (again, Kaioshin) calls Pure Boo as "the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Boo" in his panic to Goku & Vegeta after they break the Potara? The same episode where they said that with the Potara, they would be able to easily defeat Boo, while Goku only said that they could manage something without them? You disregarded all the statements of the anime that originate from the manga that make Gotenks Boo >>>>> SS3 Goku, Piccolo Boo >>> SS3 Goku, Evil Boo >>> SS3 Goku, S. Kaioshin >>>> Goku, and even the statement from the DB Forever guidebook which states that Evil Boo < Pure Boo, not to mention the fact that it doesn't make any sense for SS3 Goku > base Vegetto (in the anime), from such a generic, stupid statement? I mean really?
I won't even want to argue about this anymore. I feel stupid for arguing about this after seeing the statement that everyone uses for Pure Boo > Gohan Boo. I mean, seriously?
Still, it's heavily contradicted, so I'm not taking this as a fact. Even those who believe that Evil Boo < Pure Boo have agreed that Pure Boo is not stronger than Gohan Boo.Saiga wrote:Herms wrote:Describes the pure Boo as having the smallest and most childlike body out of all the Boos, but also the “most formidable power and ability”. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02.
I won't even want to argue about this anymore. I feel stupid for arguing about this after seeing the statement that everyone uses for Pure Boo > Gohan Boo. I mean, seriously?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I never said it makes sense, but nothing Toei shits out does in the first place. I'm just going with what is, and what is is that Pure Boo is the strongest in the anime.
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No, he is not. We've argued about this again a month or two ago, and you know that there are numerous statements in the anime that disagree with that logic, yet you disregard all of them just to bash Toei's love for Goku, and statement wasn't even directly related to Goku, since Goku saying that he could beat Boo in full power was much later.Saiga wrote:I never said it makes sense, but nothing Toei shits out does in the first place. I'm just going with what is, and what is is that Pure Boo is the strongest in the anime.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Please don't start a who is stronger Pure Buu or Absorbed Buu thing on here again. Its had to have been discussed within the past DAY. To make this faster DBZGTKOSDH is most likely right, Saiga is most likely wrong. Unless something new in the chozenshus it isn't happening.
Describes the pure Boo as having the smallest and most childlike body out of all the Boos, but also the “most formidable power and ability”.
This one statement you can scrounge up is open to interpretation but is most likely leaning towards "all the Boos" being all the natural buus. Which I can definitely can see, but Saiga, please think. For maybe 5 seconds about the episodes you've watched or the manga you've read. Now baby steps here.
Think of how much stronger Ultimate(Mystic, whatever you call him) Gohan is than SSJ3 Goku,
Now think of how strong Super Buu was, then add Gohan's Power to him. Lets say the absorption didn't even add HALF of Gohan's power.
Q. Could SSj3 goku even compare with Buu-han? A. Noooooooooo. We know that answer, so they had to fuse, we remember this yes?
Later on: Buu lost all of the people he absorbed and became "Pure Boo" and fought with SSJ3 Goku, would you say they were sort of a good match for each other? Yes? Good! We've done it!
Because SSJ Vegeto is>than Buuhan and Buuhan is> SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Goku fought with Pure Boo for a long looong time on par and evenly with lots or regeneration involved we can minus the Goku and Vegetto from the equation to get
Buuhan>Pure Buu
Describes the pure Boo as having the smallest and most childlike body out of all the Boos, but also the “most formidable power and ability”.
This one statement you can scrounge up is open to interpretation but is most likely leaning towards "all the Boos" being all the natural buus. Which I can definitely can see, but Saiga, please think. For maybe 5 seconds about the episodes you've watched or the manga you've read. Now baby steps here.
Think of how much stronger Ultimate(Mystic, whatever you call him) Gohan is than SSJ3 Goku,
Now think of how strong Super Buu was, then add Gohan's Power to him. Lets say the absorption didn't even add HALF of Gohan's power.
Q. Could SSj3 goku even compare with Buu-han? A. Noooooooooo. We know that answer, so they had to fuse, we remember this yes?
Later on: Buu lost all of the people he absorbed and became "Pure Boo" and fought with SSJ3 Goku, would you say they were sort of a good match for each other? Yes? Good! We've done it!
Because SSJ Vegeto is>than Buuhan and Buuhan is> SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Goku fought with Pure Boo for a long looong time on par and evenly with lots or regeneration involved we can minus the Goku and Vegetto from the equation to get
Buuhan>Pure Buu
The lack of sarcasm scares me, on that note think whatever you want....Saiga wrote:Vegetto struggled to stop Boohan when he did that universe distorting thing. Pure Boo is stronger than Boohan, and base GT Goku is stronger than that.
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No, it's not because of that. And I already pointed out that a lot of those statements you posted weren't really relevant. The Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo quotes are far clearer than anything else they give us, and the contradictory material is all adaptation of Toriyama's material. So, that makes it obvious to me that Toei intend for Pure Boo to be the strongest.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, he is not. We've argued about this again a month or two ago, and you know that there are numerous statements in the anime that disagree with that logic, yet you disregard all of them just to bash Toei's love for Goku, and statement wasn't even directly related to Goku, since Goku saying that he could beat Boo in full power was much later.Saiga wrote:I never said it makes sense, but nothing Toei shits out does in the first place. I'm just going with what is, and what is is that Pure Boo is the strongest in the anime.
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