Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 16; Still Unreleased

[90sDBZ]

My opinion on Sean is:

-he sounded really bad in the Ginyu saga because he was trying too hard to imitate his predecessors.
-sounded a lot better by the end of the Frieza fight. He was doing his own thing with the voice by then and sounded pretty good as serious Goku
-In the Trunks saga sounded even better
-By the Buu saga was great apart from the occasional line that sounded a little fake
-Sounded perfect to me in the Z re-dub and maintained that in Kai.

I particularly liked his work in Fusion Reborn and Burst Limit.

[penguintruth]

Sean wasn't even tolerable until some of the later pre-Kai video games. He was just as horrendous in the Buu arc as he was back when he started. Grainy, rough, and forced sounding with no natural charisma at all. Just abominably cringe-inducing. The worship he gets absolutely baffles me to my core.

His performance in Kai is a HUGE improvement over his re-dub Z work.

Just listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVexTJP5ovY

Then this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Mfg-6nbXQ

Practically night and day.

Also, "Trunks saga"? Really? What's that, four, five episodes? Let's stop over cutting these story arcs. Saiyans, Freeza, Cell, Buu.

[ABED]

Some people such as myself can't stand Kelamis, others think he's better than Corlett and Schemmel. Apparently there are those that absolutely love Nadolny as Goku. I cringe when her Goku laughs. To bottom line it, I liked him from the beginning and you didn't.

There's no denying that Sean got better. A decade of damn near constant work as a character will do that.

I'm fine with the FUNi breakdowns of the different arcs. It gives a better idea of what episodes people are referring to.

My opinion on Sean is:

-he sounded really bad in the Ginyu saga because he was trying too hard to imitate his predecessors.
-sounded a lot better by the end of the Freeza fight. He was doing his own thing with the voice by then and sounded pretty good as serious Goku
-In the Trunks saga sounded even better
-By the Buu saga was great apart from the occasional line that sounded a little fake
-Sounded perfect to me in the Z re-dub and maintained that in Kai.

I particularly liked his work in Fusion Reborn and Burst Limit.

I agree with this assessment by and large, although the first point came down to them being instructed to sound like his predecessor.

[penguintruth]

I'm fine with the FUNi breakdowns of the different arcs. It gives a better idea of what episodes people are referring to.

It overcomplicates things. I refuse to refer to "Imperfect Cell Saga". Funimation needs to learn about narrative structure.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I'm fine with the FUNi breakdowns of the different arcs. It gives a better idea of what episodes people are referring to.

It overcomplicates things. I refuse to refer to "Imperfect Cell Saga". Funimation needs to learn about narrative structure.

*Shrugs.*

To each their own. It never bothered me. If anything, it certainly sounds more concise than, "Y'know, that part of the Cell arc when Imperfect Cell is the primary antagonist."

In any event, the whole "arc/season/saga" thing never has been something that I've been passionately opinionated about one way or another. As far as I'm concerned, FUNimation can divide it up however they want as long as it's clear to DVD-buyers which DVDs to get.

[Fizzer]

A story arc has a beginning, a middle and an end. It's something that you could turn into a movie that people could just about fully appreciate the plot of without the viewing of any prequels or sequels being really necessary. The new division into only seven arcs for the full-colour manga release seems like going a bit too far, in my humble opinion (Hunt for the Dragon Balls and 21st Tenkaichi Bodukai are definitely separate stories, and a {22nd Tenkaichi Bodukai/Piccolo Daimao/23rd Tenkaichi Budokai} arc is questionable), but the "Imperfect Cell saga", "Fusion saga" and so-on are definitely not rounded stories.

[linkdude20002001]

I'm fine with the FUNi breakdowns of the different arcs. It gives a better idea of what episodes people are referring to.

*Shrugs.*

To each their own. It never bothered me. If anything, it certainly sounds more concise than, "Y'know, that part of the Cell arc when Imperfect Cell is the primary antagonist."

In any event, the whole "arc/season/saga" thing never has been something that I've been passionately opinionated about one way or another. As far as I'm concerned, FUNimation can divide it up however they want as long as it's clear to DVD-buyers which DVDs to get.

But it's completely unnecessary. What other show is broken up like that? Other shows are either broken up into seasons, story arcs, or volumes. Funimation on the other hand, at least for DBZ, breaks it up into "new character/form introductions". That's beyond unnecessary. Instead of "During the Trunks Saga...", one could say "During Trunks' introduction...", and things can be just as concise.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I'm fine with the FUNi breakdowns of the different arcs. It gives a better idea of what episodes people are referring to.

*Shrugs.*

To each their own. It never bothered me. If anything, it certainly sounds more concise than, "Y'know, that part of the Cell arc when Imperfect Cell is the primary antagonist."

In any event, the whole "arc/season/saga" thing never has been something that I've been passionately opinionated about one way or another. As far as I'm concerned, FUNimation can divide it up however they want as long as it's clear to DVD-buyers which DVDs to get.

But it's completely unnecessary. What other show is broken up like that? Other shows are either broken up into seasons, story arcs, or volumes. Funimation on the other hand, at least for DBZ, breaks it up into "new character/form introductions". That's beyond unnecessary. Instead of "During the Trunks Saga...", one could say "During Trunks' introduction...", and things can be just as concise.

Well, I suppose someone who felt passionately about FUNimation's naming system might counter that with, "What part of Trunks' introduction? When he first appears, when he's talking with Goku after he lands on Earth, when?"

As I said, though, I'm not passionate about it one way or the other. Sure it may be unnecessary, but it's just not one of those things that affects my enjoyment of the product, y'know? Bad acting, bad writing, bad music, bad video quality, poorly-translated subtitles...all these things would affect my enjoyment of the actual product. The naming system never has. The only way I would find it problematic would be if it confused DVD-buyers.

*Shrug.*

[linkdude20002001]

While it doesn't effect ones enjoyment of watching the series, it can be cumbersome when discussing it at least. It irks me when I hear over and over again the words saga and arc misused, so everyone should just stop it.

[IAmTheMilkMan]

I don't hear what you hear. Even if it was phoned in, Kelamis sounds way too unnatural for my tastes.

I'll have to agree with you for the most part here. While I actually really like Kelamis's voice for Goku, the acting just isn't there. However, it doesn't seem to bother me in the uncut Ocean dub of Dead Zone. I don't know if that has to do with the sparse amount of dialog or upping his game for that movie, but whatever it was, it seemed to work better. If Kelamis had been an overall better actor, I believe he could have done something really great with Goku.

While Corlett may be a little bland, at least his acting is up to par, which makes him more tolerable for me.

I never really gave Schemmel the time of day until I watched Kai. Now, I might go so far as to say he's been my favorite English Goku.

Nadolny as a young Goku or Gohan makes me cringe. At all times. Especially when laughing. I'll take Clinkenbeard any day.

Sabat's Vegeta was great in Kai, but I think he got there by at least the redub of seasons 1 and 2.

Admittedly, I've never watched the redub. But based on that clip of Goku and Vegeta fighting that someone posted here earlier, I'd say that assessment is correct.



Oh, and also... six seasons and a movie!

[ABED]

I don't hear what you hear. Even if it was phoned in, Kelamis sounds way too unnatural for my tastes.

I'll have to agree with you for the most part here. While I actually really like Kelamis's voice for Goku, the acting just isn't there. However, it doesn't seem to bother me in the uncut Ocean dub of Dead Zone. I don't know if that has to do with the sparse amount of dialog or upping his game for that movie, but whatever it was, it seemed to work better. If Kelamis had been an overall better actor, I believe he could have done something really great with Goku.

While Corlett may be a little bland, at least his acting is up to par, which makes him more tolerable for me.

I never really gave Schemmel the time of day until I watched Kai. Now, I might go so far as to say he's been my favorite English Goku.

Nadolny as a young Goku or Gohan makes me cringe. At all times. Especially when laughing. I'll take Clinkenbeard any day.

Sabat's Vegeta was great in Kai, but I think he got there by at least the redub of seasons 1 and 2.

Admittedly, I've never watched the redub. But based on that clip of Goku and Vegeta fighting that someone posted here earlier, I'd say that assessment is correct.

Oh, and also... six seasons and a movie!

Clinkenbeard got only one at bat as Goku, which is a shame. She was very good, and I think she would've been even better as Goku than she was as Gohan. Still, my favorite English speaking Goku and Gohan is Saffron Henderson. I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times in the future. She's an excellent actress. Stephanie seems like a perfectly nice person, but her Krusty the Clown laugh bothers me.

Six seasons and a movie!
Bow before Thoraxis!

[CaBrPi]

Clinkenbeard got only one at bat as Goku, which is a shame. She was very good, and I think she would've been even better as Goku than she was as Gohan. Still, my favorite English speaking Goku and Gohan is Saffron Henderson. I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times in the future. She's an excellent actress. Stephanie seems like a perfectly nice person, but her Krusty the Clown laugh bothers me.

Six seasons and a movie!
Bow before Thoraxis!

I agree that it's a shame that Colleen only played Goku once, but I felt she could've done a little bit more with it than what she did. That said, she's still my favorite English voice for the younger Goku (as well as Gohan). I'm not terribly familiar with Saffron Henderson in the role, and she seems to have had a handle on it, but it just doesn't quite get there in my opinion, if you understand my meaning. I know a lot of people think Colleen's take is too high, but I find that it's actually rather accurate for a child as young as Gohan was throughout Kai, and she has even commented on how much easier it was to play as the series continued, because Chris Sabat would let her drop the pitch a little bit at a time.

I honestly think that Colleen is one of the most underrated actors at Funimation, seeing as she doesn't enjoy anywhere near the popularity of, say, Vic Mignogna. Colleen is an excellent actress with a good range, and even her characters that have similar voices are distinct (see Rosé and #18 or Riza Hawkeye and Erza Scarlett for example).

But that might just be me.

As for the Ocean Kai dub, I'm still waiting to hear who's going to be playing (the adult) Goku.

[penguintruth]

Colleen Clinkenbeard is probably Funimation's best VA. Monica Rial as well, but she's not really exclusive to Funimation.

[Gonstead]

Colleen Clinkenbeard is probably Funimation's best VA. Monica Rial as well, but she's not really exclusive to Funimation.

I can't deny that.

She does pretty good as childish characters like Gohan and Luffy... but hot damn, she's probably the best at putting the "pretty lady" appearance to the "sexy voice" in acting. Zangya and Princess Snake are great examples of this.

I especially love her as Riza Hawkeye as a non-DB example. She's perfect in the role.

[penguintruth]

I adore her Riza Hawkeye. She absolutely blows me away in episode 19 of Brotherhood.

[Ringworm128]

I think she's awesome as Erza Scarlet from Fairy Tail, Ritsuko Akagi from Eva (especially in comparison to her ADV voice) and especially as #18. Though as much as I like her as Goku she just can't replace Stephanie Nadalony as Kid Goku in my book. I guess I slightly prefer Gohan's old Funimation voice but I'm still on the fence about it, Anyway we should stop talking about how great Coleen Clinkenbeard is and get back to the topic.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I think she's awesome as Erza Scarlet from Fairy Tail, Ritsuko Akagi from Eva (especially in comparison to her ADV voice) and especially as #18. Though as much as I like her as Goku she just can't replace Stephanie Nadalony as Kid Goku in my book. I guess I slightly prefer Gohan's old Funimation voice but I'm still on the fence about it, Anyway we should stop talking about how great Coleen Clinkenbeard is and get back to the topic.

Heh...well, y'know, I think I finally see a pattern in how this thread works. This isn't a criticism at all by the way, just a casual observation that I find kinda funny. This seems to be the pattern of the thread thus far...

-NEWS OF THE OCEAN DUB!!!
-SPECULATION ON HOW THE OCEAN DUB OF KAI WILL BE HANDLED!!
-Comparisons drawn to the Ocean dub of DBZ!
-Comparisons drawn to the Westwood dub of DBZ...
-Video clips shown....
-Casual talk about voice actors in other roles....
-Q.....u.....i.....e.....t..........
-.............
-MORE NEWS OF THE OCEAN DUB!!!
-Repeat cycle.

So if that pattern is anything to go by, we'll have to wait for the next bit of news to be released before this thread kicks up again.

[Fennekin]

I'm actually not going to go by that pattern since I wanted to talk about Ocean VA's, not comparisons.

From my point, I thought Ian James Corlett did a great job as Goku for Ocean. From what I can tell, he's still in the voice acting business with MLP and Dragon Train. Surely he could be called back for the redub.

[andrewtuell1991]

I'm actually not going to go by that pattern since I wanted to talk about Ocean VA's, not comparisons.

From my point, I thought Ian James Corlett did a great job as Goku for Ocean. From what I can tell, he's still in the voice acting business with MLP and Dragon Train. Surely he could be called back for the redub.

If he does come back it won't be for Goku. Pretty much every leak and hint we've had suggests that someone completely new will voice Goku. And hopefully he won't do Roshi again either, he sounded like Jigglebilly from ATHF. Come to think of it, Canada's never had a good Roshi; 7th times the charm I suppose.

[Attitudefan]

Corlett "up to par". Funny, very funny. Listen to his Tree of Might dub: he sucks and he's just as monotone and boring as Schemmel in Ginyu Assult! Kelamis sounded natural and had very good acting. Hell, even the post-Freeza Ocean dub, he was still just as good and sometimes even better than Schemmel, however, Kelamis was working on the show quickly and with many different directors. Corlett was the George Lucas of voices at that time, everybody listens to him and the outcome is good. Kelamis, with great directing is the best Goku out there hands down. Schemmel, even with great/good directing, needed years to be good.

Watch the Tree of Might dubs and compare all, then you'll agree with me. I've done this with the Dead Zone dubs including the Japanese original, all playing on different TVs at the same time. Hands down Ocean was #1 in terms of dubs; it was the closest to the original source. They did such a good job with all their characters in that movie. The cast was perfect for a dub.

You guys see Corlett with rose coloured glasses. He sounded bland while he was angry, sad, happy... his Goku sounded bland! The acting wasn't really there.