Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

[TheBlackPaladin]

Well maybe they're not re-dubbing the whole thing. It could just be that they misplaced/lost the audio files for a select few lines here and there (which happens), and needed the actors to re-dub those specific lines. After all, it's been a long time since this dub has been used in any official capacity, so it's quite possible that some files could have been lost over the years.

Couldn't they just rip the audio from the DVDs though? I don't see why they'd need to remix the entire audio and go back to the source files, unless they want an OMG 5.1 audio mix, which I wouldn't care for.

I'm not sure if they could or not. There might be some legal hurdles to clear for that to happen. Pioneer was in charge of distributing those DVDs back in the day, and they're no longer involved with "Dragon Ball" in any way, shape, or form. So it's possible that FUNimation no longer has the right to access those DVDs. Or hey, maybe they are updating the mix to 5.1.

Attitudefan's comment that a certain voice actor (won't say his name) mentioned "re-doing some lines" would seem like a logical comment to make if they were only re-dubbing certain lines.

[Pretorious]

At this point, I feel like it's real. So I'm surprised by the opposite: why hasn't FUNimation said it's coming out yet?

I'm not sure either Maybe they're waiting for the right moment to jump out and say surprise! but seriously I would have expected at-least a comment from them about this release. but nope, not a peep.

Or...maybe they'll pop out on the first of next month and say "April Fool's!"

[Metalwario64]

I'm not sure if they could or not. There might be some legal hurdles to clear for that to happen. Pioneer was in charge of distributing those DVDs back in the day, and they're no longer involved with "Dragon Ball" in any way, shape, or form. So it's possible that FUNimation no longer has the right to access those DVDs. Or hey, maybe they are updating the mix to 5.1.

Attitudefan's comment that a certain voice actor (won't say his name) mentioned "re-doing some lines" would seem like a logical comment to make if they were only re-dubbing certain lines.

That really does seem plausible I guess.

I hope not though. :/ If so, then I already have all of the Saiyan single DVDs, and I'll just get the Namek DVDs if that's the case.

[dbzforeverUK]

I was the fan who ask AAA Anime about the Ocean release and decided to post it on the Ocean dub face book page,here is the link for that message https://www.facebook.com/aaaanime.
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I don't know about you guys but a re-dub looks slighty more likely then it did before.

[BlackCatScott]

I was the fan who ask AAA Anime about the Ocean release and decided to post it on the Ocean dub face book page,here is the link for that message https://www.facebook.com/aaaanime.
In other news look what I've found this time


I don't know about you guys but a re-dub looks slighty more likely then it did before.

That's definitely Vegeta! Although a re-dubbing wouldn't really be as tempting for me to buy. I'd prefer to have the original Ocean Dub... but good find.

[Attitudefan]

I was the fan who ask AAA Anime about the Ocean release and decided to post it on the Ocean dub face book page,here is the link for that message https://www.facebook.com/aaaanime.
In other news look what I've found this time


I don't know about you guys but a re-dub looks slighty more likely then it did before.

He told me he was specifically doing Kai. I have a feeling that this is Kai under the DBZ banner so it is not confused with Kai by Funimation.

[dbzforeverUK]

I was the fan who ask AAA Anime about the Ocean release and decided to post it on the Ocean dub face book page,here is the link for that message https://www.facebook.com/aaaanime.
In other news look what I've found this time


I don't know about you guys but a re-dub looks slighty more likely then it did before.

He told me he was specifically doing Kai. I have a feeling that this is Kai under the DBZ banner so it is not confused with Kai by Funimation.

I really can't wait for this to come out,Kai or not Funi can take my cash

[samuraix123]

At this point, I feel like it's real. So I'm surprised by the opposite: why hasn't FUNimation said it's coming out yet?

I'm not sure either Maybe they're waiting for the right moment to jump out and say surprise! but seriously I would have expected at-least a comment from them about this release. but nope, not a peep.

Or...maybe they'll pop out on the first of next month and say "April Fool's!"

Haha that's very possible as well

[Ashura]

Man, if you guys think they're doing anything but re-releasing the original dub on DVD, you're fooling yourself. There's no reason for them to spend money on a third dub of DBZ. If they were going to redub the early episodes uncut, they would use the current english voices, and it would've appeared on the blurays.

Redubbing is probably just a typo.

Also, Brian Drummond was likely talking about finishing up Kai.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Man, if you guys think they're doing anything but re-releasing the original dub on DVD, you're fooling yourself.

Eh...I've learned to never say never with this franchise. Some really crazy stuff has happened with it, both on Toei's end and FUNimation's.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Man, if you guys think they're doing anything but re-releasing the original dub on DVD, you're fooling yourself.

Eh...I've learned to never say never with this franchise. Some really crazy stuff has happened with it, both on Toei's end and FUNimation's.

While I agree with Ashura that the re-dubbing notation is probably an error, TheBlackPaladin makes a really good point. I can remember when it looked like we'd never have a mostly consistent dub for all of the series and movies - BOOM! FUNi re-dubs the Saiyan/Namek material and the first three movies. I can remember a time when it looked like we'd never get the series in a format that made it easy to own the whole thing - BOOM. Season Sets. I can remember when it looked like we wouldn't get to own all of the first series. BOOM. FUNi gets the first 13 episodes and 1st movie rights back. I can remember when it looked like we'd never really get anything new - BOOM. JSAT special, Episode of Bardock, Plan to Destroy the Super Saiyans, and now Battle of Gods.

If I've learned anything in my time as a DB fan, it's that nothing - nothing - is truly impossible.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Man, if you guys think they're doing anything but re-releasing the original dub on DVD, you're fooling yourself.

Eh...I've learned to never say never with this franchise. Some really crazy stuff has happened with it, both on Toei's end and FUNimation's.

While I agree with Ashura that the re-dubbing notation is probably an error, TheBlackPaladin makes a really good point. I can remember when it looked like we'd never have a mostly consistent dub for all of the series and movies - BOOM! FUNi re-dubs the Saiyan/Namek material and the first three movies. I can remember a time when it looked like we'd never get the series in a format that made it easy to own the whole thing - BOOM. Season Sets. I can remember when it looked like we wouldn't get to own all of the first series. BOOM. FUNi gets the first 13 episodes and 1st movie rights back. I can remember when it looked like we'd never really get anything new - BOOM. JSAT special, Episode of Bardock, Plan to Destroy the Super Saiyans, and now Battle of Gods.

If I've learned anything in my time as a DB fan, it's that nothing - nothing - is truly impossible.

I too think "redubbing" was probably an erroneously inserted word, and my suggestion about only re-dubbing a few lines was my best attempt at making sense at how that could be possible based on available information. It's probably not going to happen, but...

While we're talking about "BOOMs," let's add Kai to the list of BOOMs. Everything about it. The re-animated scenes, the cut-out filler, the replacing of the entire musical score due to suspected plagiarism, the highly notable re-casting of several roles for the English dub...heck, how about the fact that Kai even happened at all.

In fact...here's a short list of BOOMs that I can think off of the top of my head.

-That FUNimation opted to skip over "Dragon Ball" and go straight to DBZ.
-That Ian Corlett was replaced.
-That the entire Ocean cast was replaced.
-By people in Texas, many of whom had minimal prior acting experience.
-The Ocean cast would come back for the Westwood dub, creating two separate dubs of DBZ.
-Despite changing the musical score for DBZ, FUNimation kept the original score for DB.
-Despite keeping the original score for DB, FUNimation changed the musical score for GT.
-FUNimation later re-released GT with the original musical score and dubbed songs.
-FUNimation's first consistent home video release of DBZ was in widescreen, which wasn't really called for or particularly wanted.
-Right after FUNimation finished that release, they released the Dragon Boxes.
-Right after that, FUNimation invested a ton of money into re-mastering DBZ into high-definition for their own Blu-Ray release that actually looked pretty good.
-FUNimation cancelled that release very quickly.

Feel free to add others. The point being, I've learned that every time I say "that'll never happen" with regard to this franchise...it (whatever "it" is) happens.

[Ashura]

A lot of your 'BOOMS' are mostly logical business things and not out of left field.

-DB didn't do very well. Of course they'd skip to the popular thing.
-They had no money to dub DBZ. Of course they were going to go the cheaper route and do it in house. They were going to make it work however they could.
-They redubbed the Saiyan and Namek stuff because at that point they were releasing bilingual DVDs uncut. It was the only way to release those episodes uncut, and DBZ was highly popular. They knew there was a market for this so they went ahead and did it. Most people who followed DBZ at the time EXPECTED this to happen.
-They also knew the home video rights to the first 13 episodes of DB would run out eventually... they dubbed all of that uncut ahead of time during the time they dubbed the rest of it. By that time, much like the Saiyan and Namek stuff, they were likely to redub it anyway because their business strategy at that point was bilingual and uncut.
-They expected DBGT to be the next Z. They didn't expect that with regular Dragon Ball. That's why they were handled quite differently.
-DBZ on Bluray didn't sell well enough to continue the high cost it took to remaster it.
-Toei saw that rehashing Z at Kai didn't work very well, so of course they're trying new things out because it's one of their stronger franchises.
-The Westwood thing, while on the outside seems the weirdest of this bunch, and a surprise to me at first, likely had a lot to do with music licensing. AB Groupe likely didn't want to have to pay Funimation for their music residuals. Music residuals is how Funi made a lot of money off of DBZ in the first place, a practice they learned from Saban.

If you want some real booms:
- Funimation deciding to release bilingual and uncut releases, because this required more money being put in to purchase the music rights.
- Funimation bringing over the dragon boxes, because again, more money for those masters.

This is missing the orange brick debacle, but that whole thing was a mess in itself.

I quite vividly remember hearing the other theme from pretty every episode aired on YTV except for the one where Goku shows up at the Saiyan fight which used Rock The Dragon for some random reason, but yeah, I remember as a kid liking Rock the Dragon more (it was on the VHS tapes too so that was more exposure) and wondering why they never used it for any other episodes, it's so much better for pumping you up than that Casio-keyboard crap.

Since Saban as a company created Rock the Dragon, every time they played it they would have to pay Saban for the music residuals, along with Saban's music. AB Groupe (they're the UK distro, yeah?) likely wanted at least a small cut of the money, so they made their own theme song instead.

[linkdude20002001]

I don't think Saban created "Rock the Dragon"... Or at least they don't own it. Funimation is the only company mentioned in games that used the song (like Taiko: Drum Master).

Also...I LIVE HERE! XD

[Ashura]

I always thought Ron Wasserman composed it, but he doesn't even know anymore. (Did we figure out otherwise?) Either way, it still means the same thing; they didn't want to have to pay back music royalties to Funi when they could make it themselves with their own song.

[ABED]

A lot of your 'BOOMS' are mostly logical business things and not out of left field.

-The Westwood thing, while on the outside seems the weirdest of this bunch, and a surprise to me at first, likely had a lot to do with music licensing. AB Groupe likely didn't want to have to pay Funimation for their music residuals. Music residuals is how Funi made a lot of money off of DBZ in the first place, a practice they learned from Saban.

If you want some real booms:
- Funimation deciding to release bilingual and uncut releases, because this required more money being put in to purchase the music rights.

I've never understood the music licensing thing. I know they had to pay to replace the entire score, but who paid FUNimation for their music? Cartoon Network?

I wouldn't consider the Bilingual releases to be a real boom. The mere fact of paying money for the music rights to have on the discs is simply a capital expenditure. Everything has a cost and clearly they thought it was worth it to get that growing market instead of being cheap and not going after it.

[90sDBZ]

That's one of the main reasons why I despise the Westwood dub as well as the Blue Water dub for the most part. It was as if AB were saying the UK wasn't important enough for them to spend money on the official well-produced dub so instead gave us a cheap sub-par dub from the bargain bin with awful recycled music. To me it felt like the Westwood dub was made for all the wrong reasons rather than as fan service to fans of the Saban dub because they really felt nothing alike.

[Ashura]

I've never understood the music licensing thing. I know they had to pay to replace the entire score, but who paid FUNimation for their music? Cartoon Network?

I wouldn't consider the Bilingual releases to be a real boom. The mere fact of paying money for the music rights to have on the discs is simply a capital expenditure. Everything has a cost and clearly they thought it was worth it to get that growing market instead of being cheap and not going after it.

On music; Whenever a TV show is played, unless the music is royalty free or has some kind of contract that allows free airplay, the station who plays the show pays residuals to people who own the musical rights. If they used the Japanese score, it would've all went to Toei and the songwriter if they still have rights. So when Saban replaced the score, they received all of the music residuals since they own(ed?) the score to Dragonball Z for the first 53 episodes. From then on, Funimation paid to have it replaced with their own score and so they instead got all the residuals whenever it played around the world with their dub. (I don't know if Faulconer's deal allowed him some or all of the rights as the composer. But I remember an interview with Gen Fukunaga that talks up how much money they made from music royalties)

Funimation took this cue from Saban. Saban's MO with Fox Kids and their syndicated shows worked like this:

-For the most part, license anime with worldwide rights outside of Japan.
-Dub it. Replace the score with their own in-house score.
-Offer the sublicense to other countries using their version, with their music.

So when people licensed Digimon from them, for instance, their music would play instead of Japan's, and they would get the royalties, not Japan. It's how they made a lot of their money. These guys know music: Whenever the Inspector Gadget theme plays, they made it. They get money for it. You know how Disney bought Power Rangers? If you noticed, in the later years on Disney they didn't show the older Power Rangers stuff. And when they finally did the revamp of season 1, none of the music was changed. This is because it was stipulated in the contracts that Disney couldn't change the music at all... because Saban still owned the rights to the music, and still got residuals. It was more expensive for them to show older Power Rangers than the stuff they created themselves.

So back to AB Groupe. At first AB Groupe was importing the Funimation english version of DBZ into Canada, but eventually I think they figured out that replacing it with their own score + doing their own dub would make them more money than paying Funimation royalties for their version.

And the thing with the bilingual releases; at the time they were announced, DBZ was hugely popular and would've sold without them anyway. They were moving into a new market which wasn't as prevalent as it is now (DVD), and they were doing it to appease fans, essentially. It was a huge thing for people like us who wanted the original language track, even if it wasn't perfect at first.

[ABED]

I don't like speaking about other people's motives like that. It could very well be that they were trying to placate the fans of the original, or it could be that they saw what was coming and decided to capture that market.

[Ashura]

That's exactly what I'm saying. That's why it was a surprising thing at the time, since the show would've been unendingly popular without the Japanese track yet they decided to go the extra mile and include it anyway.

Cool cool cool?