Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by Duo » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:44 am

SaiyaJedi wrote:I'm tempted to have a word filter put in that changes all instances of "canon" to "holy writ" (and "cannon" to "heavy artillery"). :roll:
I'd like to see that play out if there were a member that wrote the Kikoho as Ki Cannon.

Topic: I don't take the Episode of Bardock very seriously (it's a terribly silly side story that contradicts/devalues the climactic moment of the Bardock TV special) so I guess it doesn't matter to me very much. Did you have fun watching it? Sweet. The end.

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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by FindKenshi » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:05 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:I'm tempted to have a word filter put in that changes all instances of "canon" to "holy writ"
Well, to some of us, Dragonball is almost a religion. All should pay homage to Mr. Satan
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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by PhoenixEX » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:25 pm

I pretty much consider everything DB related canon, so all OVA's, films and maybe even GT in my mind happened within the same universe.
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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by Duo » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:31 pm

PhoenixEX wrote:I pretty much consider everything DB related canon, so all OVA's, films and maybe even GT in my mind happened within the same universe.
How do you address the movies that couldn't have taken place in the main history of the story? (ex: movie 6)

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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:35 pm

PhoenixEX wrote:I pretty much consider everything DB related canon, so all OVA's, films and maybe even GT in my mind happened within the same universe.
I think that would be impossible to have every single Dragon Ball media into one timeline. It's like putting every Godzilla movie, comic and video game into one big timeline.
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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by Marco Polo » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:42 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
PhoenixEX wrote:I pretty much consider everything DB related canon, so all OVA's, films and maybe even GT in my mind happened within the same universe.
I think that would be impossible to have every single Dragon Ball media into one timeline. It's like putting every Godzilla movie, comic and video game into one big timeline.
Although I don't share PhoenixEX's opinion, canon doesn't have to exclude plotholes. There can be plotholes in a story's canon.

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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:46 pm

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Hellspawn28 wrote:I feel like sometimes that not everything can be view as canon even if you want too. Something like Cross Epoch can't view as canon to both franchises since it's a crossover.
And yet many people view Dr Slump and Neko Majin as canon.
The Cross Epoch crossover is different from the Dr. Slump & Neko Majin crossovers. In Dragon Ball, we saw the Penguin Village, Arale, Senbei, and everyone else exactly as they were in the end of Dr. Slump, and in Neko Majin, we saw Goku, Mr. Boo, etc exactly as they were in the end of Dragon Ball (except for Vegeta). Cross Epoch however showed completely different versions of the Dragon Ball & One Piece characters (Kame-sennin & Sanji as police officers, Kuririn & Chopper owning a train, Bulma & Nami being space thieves, Vegeta along with Trunks, Usopp, and Robin as sky pirates, etc).

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PhoenixEX wrote:I pretty much consider everything DB related canon, so all OVA's, films and maybe even GT in my mind happened within the same universe.
I think that would be impossible to have every single Dragon Ball media into one timeline. It's like putting every Godzilla movie, comic and video game into one big timeline.
The Dragon Ball characters in all media are exactly the same. For example, Goku is the Goku we know everywhere, same back-story, techniques, etc. They can take place in the same world, the only problem would be the fact that the world would be a world full of plot holes.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:15 pm

The problem with Dr. Slump existing in the same universe as Dragon Ball is that Dr. Slump itself is not meant to be taken seriously. Arale destroy the Earth in half then the Planet is restore back to normal in the next panel.
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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:17 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:The problem with Dr. Slump existing in the same universe as Dragon Ball is that Dr. Slump itself is not meant to be taken seriously. Arale destroy the Earth in half then the Planet is restore back to normal in the next panel.
That's exactly why I don't have a problem with including Dr. Slump in the same world as Dragon Ball. Nothing is serious there, so the contradictions are also not meant to be taken seriously.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:25 pm

Episode of Bardock happens wherever it happens.
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Re: Is Episode of Bardock Canon?

Post by Master Turbo » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:34 am

Black_Liger wrote:It may be a truly stupid question, but does it?. Bardock's Transformation is my favorite in the whole series, especially for it's music!. So is it?
I'm guessing you are asking is EoB in continuity with the regular universe we follow in the manga? Difficult to say since different conflicting things seems to happen to Bardock in the original special, EoB, and DBO.

1. In the original special Bardock is killed by Freeza and stated as such in the narration from the manga itself, while in the EoB that first appeared as a manga shows Bardock instead to be alive and time traveled from being caught in Planet Vegeta's explosion instead of dying by Freeza's hands. 2. Bardock's battle garments and health is in bad condition after being attack by Dodoria in the original special, yet in EoB its perfectly intact despite Bardock flashing back to the exact scene of his friends demise in the original special. 3. Bardock is clueless why Freeza attacked them in EoB which Dodoria, Zarbon, and Freeza explain in perfect detail why while Bardock already knew this from Toma in the original special. 4. Bardock turned SSJ which the Daizenshuu mentions only Saiyans with a high battle power above the standard level can achieve it. Bardock makes no mention of every receiving a new death power up since the only reference he makes to higher level of strength is when he becomes a SSJ so odds are he still was somewhere near his original level so he shouldn't have been strong enough to transform. 5. Chilled mentions the term ki which is generally a term associate with the Z-senshi while Freeza and co. use the term battle power for it. 6. Chilled mentions to warn his clan of the Saiyan that turns blonde, the ssj, yet Freeza has no idea what Goku is when he first sees him as a SSJ even though this information was passed down his family clan.

These conflicting inconsistencies make it hard to view it as something perfectly in continuity with the rest of the series without ignoring these key details

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