Goku's Charisma

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:25 am

Heh, yeah it sure did.

Man, it's been so long since I've seen the early DB. I really need to watch it again if I'm doubting myself on important stuff.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:59 pm

Yeah, he did, but why is that important right now? Things kind of shifted to Goku purposely killing people, and that one was obviously not on purpose.

Yup. FUNimation made it so that Goku figured that Vegeta had traveled to earth, killed Gohan, and travelled back. Goku isn't even that stupid.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:37 pm

Okay, but I was mainly addressing Phantom's comment that he never killed anyone. Next time I'll use the quote feature. But it wasn't like I started talking about the Dallas Mavericks or anything.

Did he actually kill those RR guys? It's been a while since I've seen those episodes. I thought it left it up in the air whether he did or not. It's really ambiguous whether he killed anyone or not. At least to me, it is. We all thought he clearly did in Tao Pai Pai, then he shows up at the 23rd Budakai. You could argue that he didn't completely kill Piccolo Damiou due to Ma Junior basically being a reincarnation (with some of his own original thoughts as well) possessing all the same memories and experiences of his father.

Reason I ask about the RR guys, is it seems inconsistent with the way Goku has handled just about every other one of his oppenents (Toriyama even goes out of his way to show that Buu was reincarnated while none of the other non Goku killed villains seem to experience this (or we never see it, but that's my point)). Not that they (the RR) didn't deserve to die, but it's hard to believe especially since Goku seems so nonchalant about the whole thing.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:22 pm

SonGohan-san wrote:Sorry, I guess I'm not really being specific.

Oozaru Goku stepped on his Gramdpa Gohan. We were talking about whether he killed anyone, right?

Oh of course! Stupid me!

I was thinking his son! Of course it was around three in the morning when I read that!

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:33 pm

Adamas de Diama wrote:The point I was making was that at some point in the fight, Goku didn't worry about Kuririn being stuck in Tengoku, because he knew that he could be revived. So, that's why he didn't have as much incentive to kill Furiza as he did to kill Pikkoro Daimaou.

Except that Amy is right...Goku didn't know that Kuririn could be revived. He does come out and say "Kuririn's already been bought back to life once, this time he's going to stay dead". Remember, they didn't go to Namek because they knew that the Namekian balls could revive someone more than once. They only went because the Earth ones had gone, and they couldn't revive anyone at all. Yamcha and Tenshinhan had never died, and so could have been bought back to life with even the Earth balls.

In fact, I don't think Goku is ever told that the Namekian balls have greater powers (in some ways) than Kami's ones. So, to him, Kuririn was dead, and was staying dead.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:35 pm

Zackarotto wrote:Yup. FUNimation made it so that Goku figured that Vegeta had traveled to earth, killed Gohan, and travelled back. Goku isn't even that stupid.

How accurate is the manga translation here? I'm not sure if they are being faithful, or having a little joke at FUNI's expense, but when Goku first sees Vegeta's giant ape form, he says "You...you killed my grandpa!" At which point Vegeta calls him an idiot, and then Goku realises the truth.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:47 pm

Actually, that scene in the dub, made Goku look really stupid. Just leaving him walking around with the impression that Vegita stepped on his grandfather. Along with the fact that I found a lot of viewers didn't clue in either, make a whole heck of a lot of confused peoples!

Post by **TripleRach** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:34 pm

PsyLiam wrote:
Zackarotto wrote:Yup. FUNimation made it so that Goku figured that Vegeta had traveled to earth, killed Gohan, and travelled back. Goku isn't even that stupid.
How accurate is the manga translation here? I'm not sure if they are being faithful, or having a little joke at FUNI's expense, but when Goku first sees Vegeta's giant ape form, he says "You...you killed my grandpa!" At which point Vegeta calls him an idiot, and then Goku realises the truth.

Are you referring to Viz's translation? People have said they made a lot of errors initially... In the Japanese version he only says, "Do-dou natte yaga nda!!!! Oozaru no bakemono...!!!" ("What the hell's happened to him!!!! The oozaru monster...!!!") Then Vegeta explains about the 10x power up, Gokuu has a few flashbacks, and then realizes that he killed his own grandpa and busted up the Budoukai.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:49 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Oh of course! Stupid me! I was thinking his son! Of course it was around three in the morning when I read that!

Moral of the story: Don't post at 3 am. That's when you sleep, woman. Besides, if your sleeping schedules are off, I won't know when the best time is to come and kill you.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:07 pm

Like I said, if you think you're feel'in lucky enough boy!

Drop me a line, I'll make an appointment for ya!

By the way, just so you know, I'm a very light sleeper.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:24 am

TripleRach wrote:Are you referring to Viz's translation? People have said they made a lot of errors initially... In the Japanese version he only says, "Do-dou natte yaga nda!!!! Oozaru no bakemono...!!!" ("What the hell's happened to him!!!! The oozaru monster...!!!") Then Vegeta explains about the 10x power up, Gokuu has a few flashbacks, and then realizes that he killed his own grandpa and busted up the Budoukai.

Yeah. He definitly says "you killed my grandpa" in the Viz version, before realising the truth. But I don't think it's accidental. I'm sure it's a deliberate swipe at FUNi. I haven't got the manga with me at the moment to properly transcribe it, thought.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:29 am

Jerseymilk wrote:Like I said, if you think you're feel'in lucky enough boy! Drop me a line, I'll make an appointment for ya! By the way, just so you know, I'm a very light sleeper.

That statement can be interpreted in several different ways. Most of which would get me slapped around the face, so I'll refrain from saying anymore.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:18 am

Bwhahaha. <zing>

I'm sorry, but that really was quite funny.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:54 am

Who says I'd get you when you were sleeping? Maybe I'd come when I knew you'd be awake, because of honour and blah blah blah. Maybe.

I think that the twisted emoticons would set most people who gave it any thought in the right direction.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:17 pm

Zackarotto wrote:Who says I'd get you when you were sleeping? Maybe I'd come when I knew you'd be awake...

You have to be doing this deliberately.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:30 pm

Hmm?

...Maybe.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:31 pm

Liam, do you really have to take such pleasure in twisting my words?

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:51 pm

I am a dirty, dirty man.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:53 pm

That's a "cop-out" response!

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:05 pm

It was a valid explanation. Besides, I was hoping that my, er, charisma would cause everyone to forgive me.