Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

[ABED]

How come these listings keep claiming it's episodes 1-29 and there's redubbing? The box clearly states episodes 1-26, and "The Original Television Broadcast".

This is what I've been trying to find out since it first popped up on AAA-Anime. I tweeted FUNimation and even Lance, but no one responded back. I guess time will tell.

Like I said, I have a feeling it is labled original broadcast so it is not to be confused with FUNi Kai. I doubt the producers could call it The Ocean Dub.

I get why they wouldn't want to call it "the ocean dub" on the cover. My question was about why those sites keep writing about redubbing and 29 episodes when the box art contradicts both.

[oXdanXo]

Becuase they're not that far behind others in putting things up for pre-order and if they don't then I will be sad. I'm hoping it's dual region too.

[90sDBZ]

I actually agree that milking isn't such a bad thing. That way everyone ultimately gets the version they want. Old-school Dub fans like myself get the Orange Bricks and the Saban dub, Purists and those who care more about picture quality and can do without Faulconer's music get the Dragon Boxes, those who hate filler and prefer the new dub get Kai etc...
And then there's those who like to own multiple versions because they enjoy them all.

It's a smart move releasing the Saban dub again imo. Nostalgia is a powerful thing that is sure to produce sales. At the end of the day if you don't like a certain release then don't bother getting it and leave those that do care to enjoy it. Being able to watch the Ocean dub back when it was still good with the awesome Levy score is pretty exciting for me personally.

[dbboxkaifan]

I actually agree that milking isn't such a bad thing. That way everyone ultimately gets the version they want.

Unfortunately there's always some party poopers saying "oh look funimation is milking dragon ball z again for money" well duh, FUNimation is a business companies and they run on making profit.

I'm really hoping this is true and that they'll release DBZ Ocean Dub films collection too.

[pappy]

Man, I think it would be so cool if this ends up being a new printing of the original broadcast that we had in the states. I mean, that's a cultural artifact ripe for studying American broadcasting rules and regulations, not to mention business practices of these companies and how they handled the glocalization of this Japanese product. (I'm not sure if many would agree, but I actually would want the quality of the footage to match the American broadcast as closely as possible. I say with a release like this, go all the way) There's also the nostalgia it holds for me and I'd like to take a look back and see what a young me found, not only acceptable, but incredible. If this doesn't pan out like I want it to, I guess I'll have to search out the pioneer release, because I gots the itch now.

Side note: I also hope all you ocean fans get the release you desire as well.

[ABED]

As I understand it, most of the editing was due to Saban's guidelines, not regulations set by the FCC.

[gialloman]

any word if Japanese audio is on this release? or is it a eng dub only kinda deal? I ask mainly because I never got Dragon box vol 1 or 2 and i really want the rest of the series in Japanese and 4:3

[dbboxkaifan]

any word if Japanese audio is on this release? or is it a eng dub only kinda deal? I ask mainly because I never got Dragon box vol 1 or 2 and i really want the rest of the series in Japanese and 4:3

By being focused on the "Ocean Dub" it might not but FUNimation can offer more for other fans/audiences through including Ocean Dub W/Original DBZ Music and Japanese Audio.

Ocean Dub mixed with the Original DBZ Music would be ideal for me, although, the replacement Canadian soundtrack is pretty good too. So I'm fine either way this turns up.

[Solidus]

This is building some momentum now.

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The strange thing is that all of them say in the description that it has 29 episodes despite the boxart saying 26. If this is real then I will guess that Funimation's info sheet made a typo with the episode count. The redubbing would then be referring to Ocean Kai. As for the boxart, it seems it took inspiration from Toriko. It has a sort of tag line running across the top and the Funi and Toei logos located on the bottom right.



I'd wish Funimation would make a statement on whether or not this is real. Although if it is Ocean Kai, we might have to wait for an official announcement from the producers.

[Super Sayian Prime]

If it was fake, do you think other retailers would put up listings, and Funimation wouldn't have denounced it as such? It's real, we're just missing some details.

[pappy]

As I understand it, most of the editing was due to Saban's guidelines, not regulations set by the FCC.

Right, if I remember correctly, both the television and motion picture industry have taken self regulation stances so the government isn't forced to do so. This keeps things in the home court so to speak. The FCC's role, I believe, and as far as indecency/obscenity rules go, is more of a "slap the hands that cross the line" sort of thing by having a complaint and fine process set up. I can't remember if it was the FCC themselves thst set up safe haven hours or not, but those are also an interesting variable in play as well.

I went ahead and looked it up so we can see actual documentation instead of just taking my word for it.
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/obscenity-ind ... faq#TheLaw

A lot of great stuff in the link below about the setup of television ratings below the v-chip section.
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/v-chip-puttin ... dren-watch

To add: It's all kept fairly vague as a more rigid structure would be easier to break.

[dragonpiece]

So what are the chance if this really is a redub, that it ends up being more accurate and faithful?

[ABED]

As I understand it, most of the editing was due to Saban's guidelines, not regulations set by the FCC.

Right, if I remember correctly, both the television and motion picture industry have taken self regulation stances so the government isn't forced to do so. This keeps things in the home court so to speak. The FCC's role, I believe, and as far as indecency/obscenity rules go, is more of a "slap the hands that cross the line" sort of thing by having a complaint and fine process set up. I can't remember if it was the FCC themselves thst set up safe haven hours or not, but those are also an interesting variable in play as well.

I went ahead and looked it up so we can see actual documentation instead of just taking my word for it.
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/obscenity-ind ... faq#TheLaw

A lot of great stuff in the link below about the setup of television ratings below the v-chip section.
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/v-chip-puttin ... dren-watch

To add: It's all kept fairly vague as a more rigid structure would be easier to break.

All true, but there's a distinction between censorship and editting. That line does get a bit muddy when companies are forced to censor pre-emptively because the government has arbitrary power to determine what is acceptable.

[pappy]

Your comment is a little confusing to me. I wasn't trying to make a case that there's not a distinction between, say, Saban editing the shows together to speed the plot up, and self censoring booze, smoking, and violence by cuts, script changes, and digital paint. Because I think there is. I also wasn't trying to imply that Saban only made these changes so as not to anger parents who would then perhaps lodge a complaint to the FCC who could then potentially fine the broadcasting channel. I'm guessing there was probably a multitude of reasons: Saban's in-house rules, appeasing the airing stations rules, and marketing decisions.

[ABED]

Your comment is a little confusing to me. I wasn't trying to make a case that there's not a distinction between, say, Saban editing the shows together to speed the plot up, and self censoring booze, smoking, and violence by cuts, script changes, and digital paint. Because I think there is. I also wasn't trying to imply that Saban only made these changes so as not to anger parents who would then perhaps lodge a complaint to the FCC who could then potentially fine the broadcasting channel. I'm guessing there was probably a multitude of reasons: Saban's in-house rules, appeasing the airing stations rules, and marketing decisions.

Sorry, my response wasn't directed at you personally. I was trying to make a general statement because this has long been a pet peeve of mine. Ever since DBZ came to America, sites like DBZ Uncensored have constantly not understood the distinction between editting and censorship. One has to do with government action (de facto or de jure), and the former is a choice by the company. FUNi got an endless amount of crap for censorship even though its hands were tied.

Sorry to get sidetracked, back to the release - the coverart isn't great but it's not terrible. It looks better than the screen shots we used to get. I wonder how many discs are in the set. Typically FUNi's releases these days have 6/7 episodes a disc, so this will probably be around 4 discs. If it's what I think it is, then I'm happy to finally have a release where the last episode of the Saiyan Saga isn't on the disc.

[dbboxkaifan]

So what are the chance if this really is a redub, that it ends up being more accurate and faithful?

If it's a redub it's not really the "Original Broadcast", but perhaps they've only redubbed the scenes that were cut and thus far including an uncut dub for the entire episode. Still, the Saiyan arc is more than just 29 episodes, so that's odd.

[songohan619]

I`m not sure if I`m exited for this or not... o.O

[linkdude20002001]

If it's a redub it's not really the "Original Broadcast", but perhaps they've only redubbed the scenes that were cut and thus far including an uncut dub for the entire episode. Still, the Saiyan arc is more than just 29 episodes, so that's odd.

Yeah, it doesn't quite work out if it's a re-dub. Be it DBZ or Kai, 26 episodes just isn't gonna work as "The Saiyan Saga". It would have to be the original NA broadcast cut. Then again, when they mentioned it being a re-dub, they also mentioned it being 29 episodes. If that's is the case, then it would be Kai...maybe? It would be odd, though, to include the time on Planet Namek as a part of "The Saiyan Saga", I think. But whatever. I want more details.

[dbboxkaifan]

Ocean Dub's Saiyan arc is of 26 episodes, so that has to be a mistake of 6 being upside down, or I just want to believe so.

I'm so anxious for "Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga - Ocean Dub (2013)" to hit Amazon.com but the wait is killing me, aw.

Region 1 (North America) Industry News & Views has nothing about this DBZ product release.

I'd rather much prefer this one to the old Pioneer sets which are now just available in used condition and for the price that they are, I would pay for this instead. COME ON!!!

[ABED]

Ocean Dub's Saiyan arc is of 26 episodes, so that has to be a mistake of 6 being upside down, or I just want to believe so.

I'm so anxious for "Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga - Ocean Dub (2013)" to hit Amazon.com but the wait is killing me, aw.

Region 1 (North America) Industry News & Views has nothing about this DBZ product release.

I'd rather much prefer this one to the old Pioneer sets which are now just available in used condition and for the price that they are, I would pay for this instead. COME ON!!!

The box art shows that it's episodes 1-26. The person that wrote 1-29 probably made a typo.