Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:25 pm

I didn't get the sense that Bils was lying and actually could have still blown up the Earth...but you may be on to something there fogdark. What was that thing in the Heroes description of him, something about 'humbling' him? Maybe Goku's words really do manage what his fists couldn't do for once - that'd certainly be a new and interesting twist.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:27 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Based on what I've gathered. SSJ God isn't really a SSJ "God". From the looks of things it's just a power up that can compete with even the 12 Gods of destruction. If DBZ has taught us anything it's that Goku can always get stronger. Goku has already surpassed Gods in the past, I.E. Kaio Sama and Kaioshin. Goku never did try and stack SSJ2 and SSJ3 on top of his massive power up so he might be able to stack his transformations.
I disagree. Looking at the form, it looks like a cool transformation. Since Goku could sense the godly power that only the gods can feel, Goku literally became a god. And the power up he got is immense. The form made his almost equal to Bills, who is stronger than Super Vegetto, and could defeat all the Z-Senshi with one blow each, and SS3 Goku with literally a flick of his finger. Suddenly, Goku became that powerful.
To me SSJ God is called SSJ God because it's a power up that rivals the power of the 12 Gods of destruction. I would be inclined to believe it's more of a transformation if Goku couldn't use it's powers in his regular SSJ state.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Retan » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:28 pm

I'm still more interested in Vegeta then Goku (Always have been) and wonder how it sat with him to help Goku become a god!


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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by fogdark » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:32 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I didn't get the sense that Bils was lying and actually could have still blown up the Earth...but you may be on to something there fogdark. What was that thing in the Heroes description of him, something about 'humbling' him? Maybe Goku's words really do manage what his fists couldn't do for once - that'd certainly be a new and interesting twist.
Well, from what we know of Birusu, he doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to say, "You're right Son Goku, I now see the error of my ways".
I'm not saying I'm completely sure Birusu was lying, but if the god was indeed convinced by Goku, then it'd be totally in character for him not to destroy the Earth in this roundabout way.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:32 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:To me SSJ God is called SSJ God because it's a power up that rivals the power of the 12 Gods of destruction. I would be inclined to believe it's more of a transformation if Goku couldn't use it's powers in his regular SSJ state.
I don't understand why you don't consider it a transformation. The hairstyle changed in both shape & color, the eye color changed, the aura changed, and his power grew a lot.
I also don't understand why you don't consider it a literally godly state. He can sense the godly power of the gods, something only the gods (Kami, Kaio, Kaioshin, Hakaishin) can do. He has a godly trait, so...?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:34 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:To me SSJ God is called SSJ God because it's a power up that rivals the power of the 12 Gods of destruction. I would be inclined to believe it's more of a transformation if Goku couldn't use it's powers in his regular SSJ state.
I don't understand why you don't consider it a transformation. The hairstyle changed in both shape & color, the eye color changed, the aura changed, and his power grew a lot.
I also don't understand why you don't consider it a literally godly state. He can sense the godly power of the gods, something only the gods (Kami, Kaio, Kaioshin, Hakaishin) can do. He has a godly trait, so...?
When can he sense a God's Ki? Again I don't consider it a transformation since he can access said "power up" in his normal SSJ state.
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Post by Hujio » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:35 pm

Retan wrote:Gah when's Kei17 going to write the story, and give it to VeggetoEX? I need to know this stuff!
He'll get to it when he gets to it. And once we get it from him, we'll get to it as quick as we can. Also, I like how "staff" always turns into just "VegettoEX". :P
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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:37 pm

H... "Hujio"...? Which one are you, again...?

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Sin » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:41 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:To me SSJ God is called SSJ God because it's a power up that rivals the power of the 12 Gods of destruction. I would be inclined to believe it's more of a transformation if Goku couldn't use it's powers in his regular SSJ state.
But the Saiyan on Planet Vegeta who attained the transformation presumably called it that too as that is how Vegeta/Shenlong refer to it, and he didn't get it to fight a God of Destruction as far as we know.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Hujio » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:43 pm

VegettoEX wrote:H... "Hujio"...? Which one are you, again...?
I'm Heath "Hujio" Schutz. Duh.

Anyway, after talking about it with Kei, I'm extremely excited to see this! If the animation is even half as good as he describes it, I may wet myself.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:47 pm

Hujio wrote:Also, I like how "staff" always turns into just "VegettoEX". :P
Haha I love this! It made me laugh way more than it should have. :P

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:48 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:When can he sense a God's Ki?
kei17 wrote:Gods have their holy power that cannot be sensed by humans including Saiyans, and you can have such power by becoming SSJG. I think this explains why only Piccolo could somewhat sense Kaioshin's power at Tenkaichi Budokai.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Again I don't consider it a transformation since he can access said "power up" in his normal SSJ state.
It was a transformation originally. You can't argue about that.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by NeoKING » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:49 pm

Honestly, the title "The Legendary Super Saiyan" sounds like what "Super Saiyan God" should've been, while "Super Saiyan God" should've been the name given to the name of who would become the legendary Super Saiyan. A Saiyan who receives the powers of six other Saiyans to save the planet according to legend but died due to not being able to maintain his power sounds more like a legend that'd be commonly passed down rather than the legend of a super powerful rampaging dude.

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Post by penguintruth » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:51 pm

It seems like kind of a tie to me.
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:53 pm

SSJG does fit the definition for a transformation.

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Post by Ringworm128 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:55 pm

penguintruth wrote:SPOILER: Goku (eventually) wins.
Oh the irony. :lol:

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:57 pm

So, there are 4 legendary Super Saiyans from the ancient past currently, from all the official sources:
  • The Super Saiyan, Bardock (from Episode of Bardock).
    The Super Saiyan God, an almost-Saiyan hero (from Battle of Gods).
    The Legendary Super Saiyan, a powerful, rampaging Saiyan born every 1000 years (From Movies 8, 10, 11).
    The Golden Oozaru, another powerful, rampaging Saiyan (from DBZ filler & GT Perfect Files).
Wow! :shock:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Chuquita » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:58 pm

Thinking about how unusual the task they need to complete to activate ssjg makes me half-wish Shenlong had given them a series of increasingly absurd tasks to perform the ritual. I realize he's not the type to just mess with them like that, but if the situation hadn't been so dire...I dunno, the hand-holding circle alone is cracking me up more now than it was earlier. Maybe because Vegeta's involved.
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Post by Makaioshin » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:58 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, there are 4 legendary Super Saiyans from the ancient past currently, from all the official sources:
  • The Super Saiyan, Bardock (from Episode of Bardock).
    The Super Saiyan God, an almost-Saiyan hero (from Battle of Gods).
    The Legendary Super Saiyan, a powerful, rampaging Saiyan born every 1000 years (From Movies 8, 10, 11).
    The Golden Oozaru, another powerful, rampaging Saiyan (from DBZ filler & GT Perfect Files).
Wow! :shock:
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:00 pm

Makaioshin wrote:I can't wait until we find out that they are all Bardock.
We are going to get 3 more Episodes of Bardock! :lol:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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