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GT can't be canon to the manga since you have villains escaping out of Hell which is impossible to happen in the manga and you also have Bebi who is a mutant Tsufurujin. The Tsufurujin were never shown in the manga and most likely don't even exist in the manga.
zSuper Vegetaz wrote:
I think YOU'RE missing the point, if he didn't write GT the real writerwould be listed in the credits and it would just say based on his work like the games and episode of bardock do.
He never said he wrote the story, although what you said about him making the "base plot" if you will is true,but the script itself,yeah ...he did not write that,nor does it or will ever be canon.
He listed down in the credits because he is the creator of the franchise. You will always be credit for something even if you had nothing to do with it. David Giler
and Walter Hill are credited down in every Alien film despite them having nothing to do with the later movies.
Well I'm pretty sure you're are trolling cuz the facts are simply stacked against your arguments.[/quote]
I'm thinking maybe you are,or you're just drunk(no offense) I mean I got nothing but facts,nobody has said anything that supports Akira not wriitng GT,he's listed as writer,so he wrote it. justa plain fact,if he didnt write ti then he wouldnt be lsiten as the writer,it would be like the episode of bardock and say it's written by somebody else,and based on his work. I'm right dude,don't beleive me pop in the dvds and chec for yourself,right from the offiical source,no internet made lies or anything.
I'm going to bed,I can't tell if I'm being trolled or just dealing with childish weaboos. But to save ye'll some tme,I'm notreplying to anyone I think is trolling or genuinly stupid. Feeding trolls isn't how I enjoy spending my free time.....
zSuper Vegetaz wrote:I'm thinking maybe you are,or you're just drunk(no offense) I mean I got nothing but facts,nobody has said anything that supports Akira not wriitng GT,he's listed as writer,so he wrote it. justa plain fact,if he didnt write ti then he wouldnt be lsiten as the writer,it would be like the episode of bardock and say it's written by somebody else,and based on his work. I'm right dude,don't beleive me pop in the dvds and chec for yourself,right from the offiical source,no internet made lies or anything.
The credits of DBGT don't say Toriyama is the writer, it says he's the "author." That means Toriyama has authored an aspect of the work in question aka the work the series is based off of which is Dragonball.
Toriyama is NOT listed as writer or scriptwriter in the credits.
The facts are in front of your eyes. Please hold while I get Herms or VegettoEX to put you in your place.
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zSuper Vegetaz wrote:I'm thinking maybe you are,or you're just drunk(no offense) I mean I got nothing but facts,nobody has said anything that supports Akira not wriitng GT,he's listed as writer,so he wrote it. justa plain fact,if he didnt write ti then he wouldnt be lsiten as the writer,it would be like the episode of bardock and say it's written by somebody else,and based on his work. I'm right dude,don't beleive me pop in the dvds and chec for yourself,right from the offiical source,no internet made lies or anything.
The credits of DBGT don't say Toriyama is the writer, it says he's the "author." That means Toriyama has authored an aspect of the work in question.
Toriyama is NOT listed as writer or scriptwriter in the credits.
Dude he is a troll and will probably be suspended. He even ignores the facts on the kanzenshuu website so you know its trolling.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
So I know questions are closed, but I'm going to ask one anyway because I'm still curious about Bills' character, and I don't follow directions well. What's his personality like? Is he truly evil, cruel, and wicked? Is he just really immature and impatient? Is he just the typical "bwa ha ha" Dragonball movie villain? Or is there depth to him, is he an entertaining part of the movie, or is he sort of just "there" as an obstacle for Goku to deal with?
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The best and most powerful villain in Dragon Ball
Hellspawn28 wrote:GT can't be canon to the manga since you have villains escaping out of Hell which is impossible to happen in the manga and you also have Bebi who is a mutant Tsufurujin. The Tsufurujin were never shown in the manga and most likely don't even exist in the manga.
zSuper Vegetaz wrote:
I think YOU'RE missing the point, if he didn't write GT the real writerwould be listed in the credits and it would just say based on his work like the games and episode of bardock do.
He never said he wrote the story, although what you said about him making the "base plot" if you will is true,but the script itself,yeah ...he did not write that,nor does it or will ever be canon.
He listed down in the credits because he is the creator of the franchise. You will always be credit for something even if you had nothing to do with it. David Giler
and Walter Hill are credited down in every Alien film despite them having nothing to do with the later movies.
Ther difference between being listed as writer and just being listed as the original creator. like in Episode Of Bardock,but in the gt credits he's the only writer. If you cant accept this then,wow just wow and not beingin the manga makesit non canon? no dude,the manga is non canon in te dragon ball universe. yeah 99% of the time manga is canon and non manga is filler but in terms of dragonball manga is filler,samewith yu yu hakusho and aparently a few others I just cant name. Research it,I'm right. Akira wrote the anime,while the manga is a rushed rough draft with plot holes that akira doesn't cnsider canon,hence why he left it asap,because those god damn stupid manga editors.....
I rest my case of him being a troll. That last statement 100% confirms it.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Guys, seriously! first rule of any social media, Do NOT feed the trolls.
Let's get back to discuss Battle of Gods. I wonder why Uisu felt the need to "karate chop" Birusu after the battle, making him sleep for 3 years. What exactly wanted Birusu to do, than made Uisu say, "Ok, that's enough"..
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Yes, Goku visited me once. He turned to me while I was still speechless, and said, "You've drank too much"...
"Dude he is a troll and will probably be suspended."
you're theone who just insulted me,I'm using facts and you're getting mad i disproved you're myths,and the onlyone doing ban worthy stuff is you so I'm reporting you now,then going to sleep so goodnight,hope you like the ban or suspension you get
fogdark wrote:Guys, seriously! first rule of any social media, Do NOT feed the trolls.
Let's get back to discuss Battle of Gods. I wonder why Uisu felt the need to "karate chop" Birusu after the battle and making him sleep for 3 years. What exactly wanted Birusu to do, than made Uisu say, "Ok, that's enough"..
Idk but I find it funny how flamboyant he looks. And he is now the strongest being ever lol.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I've never watched the English version before, but I seem to recall it coming up as a point of discussion recently that, due to a mistranslation by FUNimation, the U.S. version of the opening credits does mistakenly list Toriyama as the writer of GT rather than just the author of the source material. Maybe this is why zSuper Vegetaz believes this to be true.
no dude,the manga is non canon in te dragon ball universe. yeah 99% of the time manga is canon and non manga is filler but in terms of dragonball manga is filler,samewith yu yu hakusho and aparently a few others I just cant name. Research it,I'm right. Akira wrote the anime,while the manga is a rushed rough draft with plot holes that akira doesn't cnsider canon,hence why he left it asap,because those god damn stupid manga editors.....
Okaaaaaaaaaay.... nevermind. So much for that theory.
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zSuper Vegetaz wrote: I'm thinking maybe you are,or you're just drunk(no offense) I mean I got nothing but facts,nobody has said anything that supports Akira not wriitng GT,he's listed as writer,so he wrote it. justa plain fact,if he didnt write ti then he wouldnt be lsiten as the writer,it would be like the episode of bardock and say it's written by somebody else,and based on his work. I'm right dude,don't beleive me pop in the dvds and chec for yourself,right from the offiical source,no internet made lies or anything.
I'm going to bed,I can't tell if I'm being trolled or just dealing with childish weaboos. But to save ye'll some tme,I'm notreplying to anyone I think is trolling or genuinly stupid. Feeding trolls isn't how I enjoy spending my free time.....
zSuper Vegetaz, while I'm not entirely convinced you're not a troll, you have a massive attitude problem either way.
People who know the series better than you, who are literate in Japanese (and in the case of kei17, is Japanese), are telling you that you are mistaken. If you are indeed not a troll, I suggest you take their arguments in good faith and learn to accept when you're wrong. The facts simply don't support what you believe, and the site has guides with credits for every last episode that you can check at your leisure to see who wrote what.
Consider this your first and last warning. You will be banned if you continue.
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fogdark wrote:Guys, seriously! first rule of any social media, Do NOT feed the trolls.
Let's get back to discuss Battle of Gods. I wonder why Uisu felt the need to "karate chop" Birusu after the battle, making him sleep for 3 years. What exactly wanted Birusu to do, than made Uisu say, "Ok, that's enough"..
Yeah that needs to be answered too, but I doubt the movie really explains it unless it continues awhile on after that.
And Kei17 are the fights combined 15 minutes long, or was that just Goku Vs. Bills?
Gaffer Tape wrote:I've never watched the English version before, but I seem to recall it coming up as a point of discussion recently that, due to a mistranslation by FUNimation, the U.S. version of the opening credits does mistakenly list Toriyama as the writer of GT rather than just the author of the source material. Maybe this is why zSuper Vegetaz believes this to be true.
Don't encourage a response. Just let the whole thing go and he will probably be suspended. Just keep to the movie.
I wanna know how they both act now. Especially Uisu for how funny he looks.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Gaffer Tape wrote:I've never watched the English version before, but I seem to recall it coming up as a point of discussion recently that, due to a mistranslation by FUNimation, the U.S. version of the opening credits does mistakenly list Toriyama as the writer of GT rather than just the author of the source material. Maybe this is why zSuper Vegetaz believes this to be true.
Don't encourage a response. Just let the whole thing go and he will probably be suspended.
Please don't mini-mod me. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and find legitimate solutions to problems to end bickering, and I find it genuinely plausible that that could be a source of the problem here. If it is, maybe it will help. If it doesn't, and he really is a troll, then putting forth that information doesn't hurt anything either.
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Gaffer Tape wrote:I've never watched the English version before, but I seem to recall it coming up as a point of discussion recently that, due to a mistranslation by FUNimation, the U.S. version of the opening credits does mistakenly list Toriyama as the writer of GT rather than just the author of the source material. Maybe this is why zSuper Vegetaz believes this to be true.
Don't encourage a response. Just let the whole thing go and he will probably be suspended.
Please don't mini-mod me. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and find legitimate solutions to problems to end bickering, and I find it genuinely plausible that that could be a source of the problem here. If it is, maybe it will help. If it doesn't, and he really is a troll, then putting forth that information doesn't hurt anything either.
Sorry about that. Though hearing the words that the manga is filler and Toriyama did the anime is the last straw for my tolerance.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I keep forgetting it will be months before I ever get to see this movie. At least there is still Full Colored DB to look forward to for my DB fix...even if it is only one chapter per week.
zSuper Vegetaz wrote: I'm thinking maybe you are,or you're just drunk(no offense) I mean I got nothing but facts,nobody has said anything that supports Akira not wriitng GT,he's listed as writer,so he wrote it. justa plain fact,if he didnt write ti then he wouldnt be lsiten as the writer,it would be like the episode of bardock and say it's written by somebody else,and based on his work. I'm right dude,don't beleive me pop in the dvds and chec for yourself,right from the offiical source,no internet made lies or anything.
I'm going to bed,I can't tell if I'm being trolled or just dealing with childish weaboos. But to save ye'll some tme,I'm notreplying to anyone I think is trolling or genuinly stupid. Feeding trolls isn't how I enjoy spending my free time.....
zSuper Vegetaz, while I'm not entirely convinced you're not a troll, you have a massive attitude problem either way.
People who know the series better than you, who are literate in Japanese (and in the case of kei17, is Japanese), are telling you that you are mistaken. If you are indeed not a troll, I suggest you take their arguments in good faith and learn to accept when you're wrong. The facts simply don't support what you believe, and the site has guides with credits for every last episode that you can check at your leisure to see who wrote what.
Consider this your first and last warning. You will be banned if you continue.
I'm pretty convinced that he is a troll:
“The GT staff were careless like that too,” yeah just from that quote alone I can tell this is another bullshit quoe from tese guys,I can’t tell if it’s an honest mistake,extreme trolling or kaizenshu secrety hates dragonball like tfs does but in the end fix that,GT was written by akira toriyama,he lsot mystic form after he died. It’s asolid fact.
I think we can expect a sequel if Toei reaches their 30 Billion Yen target...looking forward to Bio Birusu. In all seriousness though, if they do make a second movie with Birusu and Uisu it'll re-open the door for Makaioshin stuff.
In all seriousness though, if they do make a second movie with Birusu and Uisu it'll re-open the door for Makaioshin stuff. 