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by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:25 am
SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:So Akira Toriyama doesn't know what Super Saiyan 2 and 3 looks like now. Did he forget that Goku said "Super Saiyan 2 I guess"?
I'm sure he did. I find it amusing when people were thinking that the Toriyama interview would solve a few major questions in the fandom - but now it seems incredibly unlikely.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:43 am
kei17 wrote:Retan wrote:hey Kei what's it say?
Toriyama forgot what SSJ2 and SSJ3 were and he was assuming that SSJ2 was something with long hair while he was making a sketch.
I guess that explains the sparks is Super Saiyan Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:16 am
Re: Toriyama forgetting SSJ2 and 3
Just when I thought Toriyama couldn't get any more forgetful, he reveals something like this.
I wonder if that's why we've got a SSJ with sparks in his latest designs of it.
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Beaten to it.
Re: SSJG
I really like it, I seem like one of the only people who do. I love how he's got pupils, and the eye colour, I would prefer it if he had the hair style from the Toei poster though. Oh well, I still like it.
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by bleed0range » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:19 am
kei17 wrote:Retan wrote:hey Kei what's it say?
Toriyama forgot what SSJ2 and SSJ3 were and he was assuming that SSJ2 was something with long hair while he was making a sketch.
I no longer think he is forgetful, I think he is just trolling the fans. Even the most casual fans know the difference between ssj1/2 and ssj3. I realllly find it difficult to believe he doesn't remember something like that. It's kind of past "amusing" with his forgetfulness and that point. That's a pretty big part of the series and it's in the jump special (from 4 years ago), it's in the video games, it's in this movie (I heard he describes the various forms).
Also, now that I've seen it... SSJ God Goku doesn't look like kaioken, but I definitely like the screen where his ki is basically flames surrounding him best. Not sure if I like the colors of his hair or not... it's still a little too close to Kaioken over all but I guess that also kind of makes sense. Wish the hair had more of a SSJ look to it, or the form was just a little more original looking. Goku's design does change just a tad to make him seen more like a character from some toriyama designed video game or something haha. Do we know if Toriyama designed SSJ God?
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by JeffJarrett » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:28 am
Super Saiyan 4 looks better than Super Saiyan God. SSJ4 also looks more powerful.
What do you guys think about the two forms?
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by Saiyuke » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:32 am
I love this Super Saiyan God form, but I think that it's an uncomplete form. I think that there will be a second movie with the FINAL FORM of the Super Saiyan God... I don't know, maybe a Super Saiyan-like form with the "God" mode ?
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by bleed0range » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:44 am
JeffJarrett wrote:Super Saiyan 4 looks better than Super Saiyan God. SSJ4 also looks more powerful.
What do you guys think about the two forms?
I think it makes more sense that if you were to receive the power of a God, you wouldn't need to really look all the different from your normal state. Because it's a "divine" power and all. I never liked SSJ4 and it's magic pants though. I think I'd be happier with SSJ God if it was just some other color than red (which has been done before)... like blue or blue/white like we originally thought.
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by Marco Polo » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:53 am
So I guess it's official now, Toriyama has really forgotten SSJ2 (and probably has been since the release of Neko Majin Z way back when). It's a kind of shame... it doesn't make much difference with Vegeta (and Gohan) but I really liked SSJ2 Goku's hair.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:56 am
At least now he knows what Super Saiyan 2, since the movie shows SS2 Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Marco Polo » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:57 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:At least now he knows what Super Saiyan 2, since the movie shows SS2 Goku.
??? Where does it show SSJ2?
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:01 am
kei17 wrote:JulieYBM wrote:Kei is probably asleep right now, but I figure I'll ask now while I have it on mind: is Super Saiyan 3 used outside of Gokuu's first fight with Burusu? Is Super Saiyan 2 ever used? Thanks!
He doesn't use SSJ3 after that. He uses SSJ2 only when he explains Super Saiyan to Birusu.
kei17, is there any indication that Vegeta used SS2?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:02 am
Marco Polo wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:At least now he knows what Super Saiyan 2, since the movie shows SS2 Goku.
??? Where does it show SSJ2?
One of the movie scans has Super Saiyan 2 Goku on it:
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by JeffJarrett » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:11 am
There weren't really a separation between the SSJ1 and SSJ2 utile Majin Buu. SSJ1 and SSJ2 were differenciated just for a brief time during the Majin Buu Saga, and then it became again the SSJ1/SSJ2 form than nobody could clearly differenciate.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:13 am
JeffJarrett wrote:There weren't really a separation between the SSJ1 and SSJ2 utile Majin Buu.
Except that there is a huge difference between SS Gohan & SS2 Gohan in the Cell Games.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by JeffJarrett » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:25 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:JeffJarrett wrote:There weren't really a separation between the SSJ1 and SSJ2 utile Majin Buu.
Except that there is a huge difference between SS Gohan & SS2 Gohan in the Cell Games.
But it wasn't a separate form back then, it was just Super Saiyan Gohan when angry.
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by Marco Polo » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:35 am
Saiga wrote:One of the movie scans has Super Saiyan 2 Goku on it:
Oh you're right. It lacks the sparks but it's definitely it.
I actually wonder what name Toriyama uses to refer to "SSJ3" since there are only two forms of SSJ in his mind
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by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:38 am
I think Kei also said that SSJ2 appeared briefly when Goku was demonstrating the SSJ forms in this movie. I think I read that anyway.
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by Saiga » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:41 am
Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:I think Kei also said that SSJ2 appeared briefly when Goku was demonstrating the SSJ forms in this movie. I think I read that anyway.
I read the same thing. That seems way too similar to Goku doing the same thing for Boo when he unveiled Super Saiyan 3 for the first time, I think.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:44 am
JeffJarrett wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:JeffJarrett wrote:There weren't really a separation between the SSJ1 and SSJ2 utile Majin Buu.
Except that there is a huge difference between SS Gohan & SS2 Gohan in the Cell Games.
But it wasn't a separate faorm back then, it was just Super Saiyan Gohan when angry.
It was another form beyond Super Saiyan. When Goku died, Gohan reverted to Super Saiyan, and when Cell came back, he powered up up into Super Saiyan 2 again. There were big changes in Gohan's appearance (new hairstyle, sharper eyes, new aura with sparks), and even Cell noted the change. Even the Trunks Special (which came out 20 days after the conclusion of Cell arc) treated it like another Grade form.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
