Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Saiga]

Ummm skill is important if they would wind up bieng the same powerlevel!

As in Goku at the same power level as Gohan destroys Gohan! Which is what I think SSJG Gohan and SSJG Goku would be!

Why would they wind up the same power level? And no, I don't think Goku is that much more skilled to "destroy" Gohan if they were of the same level of power. We've never really seen a case of that.

[JulieYBM]

SSJ2 Vegeta is not stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Yeah, it's Super Saiyan Vegeta who is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu in Battle of Gods.

[TheSonofKakarrot]

Ummm skill is important if they would wind up bieng the same powerlevel!

As in Goku at the same power level as Gohan destroys Gohan! Which is what I think SSJG Gohan and SSJG Goku would be!

Not sure where you got that I was indicating otherwise.

Also, being a "skilled fighter" isn't really necessary in the DB world when you are overwhelming stronger than someone.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Saiga]

Power levels ended a long time ago.

I'm not talking about battle powers.

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ2 Vegeta is not stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

The movie, from what I hear, seems to suggest that. However who really cares? Goku still has SSJ God so he is the superior anyway.

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku. They should be giving the powerup to him to increase their chance of beating Beers.

Can half breeds even access SSJ God? That's something you have to ask yourself.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SSJ2 Vegeta is not stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

According to kei17:

Does Vegeta go SS3? And how does pilaf and the gang get turned into kids?

No he doesn't, but he once becomes stronger than Goku because of his anger against Bills slapping Bulma. As for Pilaf's gang, they have become young because they gathered all the dragon Balls themselves and wished for youth, but Senglong made them a little but too young.

Kei !

Does Vegeta is stronger than Goku SSJ3 or normal SSJ ?

Goku said Vegeta once had surpassed him, so I guess he became stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

But I think we should wait for more detailed info, since kei's posts were very general.

SSJ2 Vegeta is not stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Yeah, it's Super Saiyan Vegeta who is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu in Battle of Gods.

Not... necessarily? Vegeta could be a Super Saiyan 2, since that's the anime we are talking about. The only way to tell if Vegeta is SS or SS2 is to check if he has sparks, but in the anime, the sparks are there whenever Toei feels like adding them.
So, Vegeta is most likely a Super Saiyan 2.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Retan]

No indication Gohan is even in the same league as Goku as a fighter either.


And why wouldn't they end up with the same amount of Power?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Power levels ended a long time ago.

I'm not talking about battle powers.

Why would they wind up the same power level? And no, I don't think Goku is that much more skilled to "destroy" Gohan if they were of the same level of power.

Really now?

The term "battle power" (or "power level" in the dub) is not strictly about the actual numbers. For example, Vegeta uses the term in Boo arc.

[dbzfan7]

But there's the fact that they're giving the SSJ God powerup to Goku instead of Gohan.

What's wrong with that?

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku. They should be giving the powerup to him to increase their chance of beating Beers.

Goku is the main character and Toriyama thinks Gohan is an unsuitable hero even though he actually is the closest to being a Super Hero by being the Great Saiyaman. In-Universe logic dictates Gohan should have been the one to undergo the transformation since he is the strongest, but out of universe logic has more power then in universe.

Gohan is equally skilled as Goku. Goku even says he has nothing left to teach him after the Cell fight. Goku is the smarter fighter, but their skills should be the same for the most part.

Vegeta Surpassing Goku without SSJ3 is probably the most in-universe breaking thing I have ever seen. It makes no sense at all since Goku has better training methods and trains as much as Vegeta, that whole idea of Vegeta somehow surpassing Goku came out of no where.

[Saiga]

Really now?

Really. Can you not tell the difference between the numeric measurements used during the Saiyan and Freeza arcs and the idea of how one characters power relates to another in non-numerical terms?

[Cold Skin]

It had to be Goku, he's a genius fighter and the one used to having various transformations and energy control, learning their essence and perceiving how to use them right. He's a natural with learning about new forms/states/grades.
He mastered the Kaioken to the point of being able to multiply it by 20, knows how to master energy coming from a whole planet, learned to master ki to instantly teleport to another side of the universe (and was able to combine it with other Ki-mastering special moves), had the idea of Fully-Mastered Super Saiyan and got used to it, was the one to unveil the Super Saiyan 3 form, knows what it's like to have an unnatural super-powered body through fusion...
And for those of you who consider the movies canon: unlocked an extra transformation in-between base and Super Saiyan, learned how to further master the energy of a whole planet to integrate it to him, knows what it's like to have a time limit thanks to the dance fusion, knows how to turn energy into a deadly golden dragon that vaporizes a giant opponent...

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Power levels ended a long time ago.

I'm not talking about battle powers.

Why would they wind up the same power level? And no, I don't think Goku is that much more skilled to "destroy" Gohan if they were of the same level of power.

Really now?

Power Level refers to the amount of Ki one has. Just because they stopped being calculated doesn't mean they disappeared and aren't a deciding factor in a fight. When someone says power level A is larger than power level B, it's just a comparison of Ki. We don't need specific numbers here.

[dbzfan7]

It had to be Goku, he's a genius fighter and the one used to having various transformations and energy control, learning their essence and perceiving how to use them right. He's a natural with learning about new forms/states/grades.
He mastered the Kaioken to the point of being able to multiply it by 20, knows how to master energy coming from a whole planet, had the idea of Fully-Mastered Super Saiyan and got used to it, was the one to unveil the Super Saiyan 3 form, knows what it's like to have an unnatural super-powered body through fusion...
And for those of you who consider the movies canon: unlocked an extra transformation in-between base and Super Saiyan, learned how to further master the energy of a whole planet to integrate it to him, knows what it's like to have a time limit thanks to the dance fusion, knows how to turn energy into a deadly golden dragon that vaporizes a giant opponent...

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

Got to hand it to you, you change my mind completely on the subject, well done.

[Saiga]

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

While the explanation that only Goku could understand the power and use it in Super Saiyan 1 is well thought out, it's not like the heroes were banking on that when they chose Goku to be the one to receive the form. Without knowledge of this future event, the logical thing for the heroes to do would be to give it to the strongest on their side, just to be sure.

[Retan]

It had to be Goku, he's a genius fighter and the one used to having various transformations and energy control, learning their essence and perceiving how to use them right. He's a natural with learning about new forms/states/grades.
He mastered the Kaioken to the point of being able to multiply it by 20, knows how to master energy coming from a whole planet, had the idea of Fully-Mastered Super Saiyan and got used to it, was the one to unveil the Super Saiyan 3 form, knows what it's like to have an unnatural super-powered body through fusion...
And for those of you who consider the movies canon: unlocked an extra transformation in-between base and Super Saiyan, learned how to further master the energy of a whole planet to integrate it to him, knows what it's like to have a time limit thanks to the dance fusion, knows how to turn energy into a deadly golden dragon that vaporizes a giant opponent...

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

That too Cold Skin.


Gohan is more powerful then Goku I understand that, but if he get's his power from Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, and Pan and adds it to his own, then how is that more powerful then Goku getting his power from Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, and Pan.

The the fighter who gets the power should be the smartest fighter among them.

[dbzfan7]

It had to be Goku, he's a genius fighter and the one used to having various transformations and energy control, learning their essence and perceiving how to use them right. He's a natural with learning about new forms/states/grades.
He mastered the Kaioken to the point of being able to multiply it by 20, knows how to master energy coming from a whole planet, had the idea of Fully-Mastered Super Saiyan and got used to it, was the one to unveil the Super Saiyan 3 form, knows what it's like to have an unnatural super-powered body through fusion...
And for those of you who consider the movies canon: unlocked an extra transformation in-between base and Super Saiyan, learned how to further master the energy of a whole planet to integrate it to him, knows what it's like to have a time limit thanks to the dance fusion, knows how to turn energy into a deadly golden dragon that vaporizes a giant opponent...

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

That too Cold Skin.


Gohan is more powerful then Goku I understand that, but if he get's his power from Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, and Pan and adds it to his own, then how is that more powerful then Goku getting his power from Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, and Pan.

The the fighter who gets the power should be the smartest fighter among them.

Also a good point. I'm wase thinking there were multipliers for SSJG, but until its confirmed I have no idea.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The guy is a genius having natural understanding of new powers and how to master them to serve you beyond their normal range.
If it wasn't for him, all others would have probably run out of God power too, but they potentially wouldn't have been able to understand how it works and how to tap into the form's remnant power.
Son Goku was the perfect choice to undergo and understand a new form of power.

While the explanation that only Goku could understand the power and use it in Super Saiyan 1 is well thought out, it's not like the heroes were banking on that when they chose Goku to be the one to receive the form. Without knowledge of this future event, the logical thing for the heroes to do would be to give it to the strongest on their side, just to be sure.

Again though, can half breeds go SSJG? The next question would be, since this is a SSJ form would his mystic form go away making his power up weaker since base Goku is definitely stronger than the base Gohan that received the power up?

[Saiga]

I guess it depends on how you look at Super Saiyan God. I don't really think it's something like the other characters putting their power into the one who will become Super Saiyan God, I think it's just that their pure hearts are needed to unlock the form for Goku. So a stronger character would have a stronger Super Saiyan God form.