Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[FindKenshi]

Nah, I just think it's because Gods are less concerned with things like physical strength, and ki. It's a new "godly" power, isn't it? So Goku can shed some of that muscle mass to make his body more efficient. It's second nature for a God.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Elder Kaioshin says "Attempt to do that Super-whatever you call it thing" (Super Saiyan). Gohan does just that, but doesn't turn SSJ and instead unlocks his potential.

Nope, that's not what Rou Kaioshin says.

Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P4.1-2
Gohan: “Ho-how can I turn into this mightiest of warriors!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “You transform into that Super whatever-it-is a lot, right? You’ll be fine if you just get the gist of that, and throw in a kiai.”
Gohan: “The gist of Super Saiyan…I-I got it…!”

He tells him to get the gist of the transformation, and throw in a Kiai. He doesn't tell him to turn into a Super Saiyan.

That seems like splitting hairs to me. A kiai is basically just a martial arts "shout" isn't it? I know by Dragonball definition, it's like an invisible ki-projection attack, but all it really means is the shout or yell martial artists do right before they break a board or throw a really strong kick or whatever. DB characters can "attack" with their kiai just cuz their strong.

As for "get the gist of Super Saiyan" isn't that basically the same as saying "think of Super Saiyan and then yell."

Either way, BoG proves that Gohan can go both Ultimate or Super Saiyan. The story was written by Toriyama after all, so this is what he seems to believe.

[ChahikoDBZ]

@Chuquita Freeza was slim in his first form, but his full power form was massive, Cell's imperfect form seemed skinnier than his perfect form, and Boo was just odd.

I think it's just going to come down to it being the way Toriyama draws his characters now.

I dread how Mr. Satan looks now. He looks so much different.

[Saiga]

That's an outright lie... Watanabe is the main scriptwriter.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's an outright lie... Watanabe is the main scriptwriter.

What do you think about the movie after watching it, especially having participated in making it?
Akira Toriyama: I really, really enjoyed participating in the creation of this movie because I didn’t have to draw everything myself. What I did was create the story. (translation note: what he means is, he didn’t have to draw everything like in the manga, in which case he had to draw every panel. He did, however, create the character models in this movie). When I created the original manga, I had to finish everything alone, but if I leave Battle of the Gods up to the staff, then they could create more than I expect. There are a lot of possibilities that the movie could be better than what I originally imagined. The battle scenes were the best and I don’t care that others added something extra to Dragon Ball. The other way around, I’m really glad that Dragon Ball is getting more and more interesting with other people’s ideas even though some fans don’t like other creators interfering. (laughs).

So there you have it. Toriyama wrote the story (and did the character designs), Watanabe the script.

[Saiga]

So there you have it. Toriyama wrote the story, Watanabe the script.

Hmm... that's really surprising, I guess I was completely wrong about that. Sorry

Still, I still believe it's a bit of a reach to say that's how Toriyama sees it. Apart from that statement, and the statement that the SSG and GoD concepts were brought to him, we don't know who's involvement is responsible for what in the film, so Super Saiyan Gohan could come from elsewhere. There's also the possibility that Super Saiyan Gohan was a mistake to begin with, and edited out (personally, I think the powering-up scene really supports that theory) with that scene being leftover. I mean, we did just find out that Toriyama got SS2 and SS3 mixed up, it wouldn't surprise me if he forgot about Gohan's power up.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

After reading the Toriyama interview I was really surprised to find out he had written the story, and to find out he was much more involved than I originally thought too.

@ChahikoDBZ
If you compare Mr. Satan now to what he looked like in the Cell arc there's a massive difference! I don't dislike his newer design though.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Still, I still believe it's a bit of a reach to say that's how Toriyama sees it. Apart from that statement, and the statement that the SSG and GoD concepts were brought to him, we don't know who's involvement is responsible for what in the film, so Super Saiyan Gohan could come from elsewhere. There's also the possibility that Super Saiyan Gohan was a mistake to begin with, and edited out (personally, I think the powering-up scene really supports that theory) with that scene being leftover. I mean, we did just find out that Toriyama got SS2 and SS3 mixed up, it wouldn't surprise me if he forgot about Gohan's power up.

The fact that the Hakaishin & Super Saiyan God concepts were not his ideas doesn't mean anything if you ask him, since Fusion, for example, was not his own idea (I think it was his editor's?).
As for the whole SS Gohan --> Ultimate Gohan scene, we can't know the truth if the SS Gohan was an error or not. It's possible that Gohan was written in the script as Ultimate, but they animated Gohan as a Super Saiyan firstly (for promotional reasons), and then reanimated the scene to make him Ultimate Gohan. I find it hard to believe that SS Gohan in the SSG ritual was an unfixed error... it's too stupid to be happening.
And as for Toriyama forgetting Ultimate Gohan, I assume Toriyama forgot SS3 before re-reading the manga (he said he read the manga again for the movie), so I think he knew about Ultimate Gohan when the movie was made.

[Saiga]

The fact that the Hakaishin & Super Saiyan God concepts were not his ideas doesn't mean anything if you ask him, since Fusion, for example, was not his own idea (I think it was his editor's?).
As for the whole SS Gohan --> Ultimate Gohan scene, we can't know the truth if the SS Gohan was an error or not. It's possible that Gohan was written in the script as Ultimate, but they animated Gohan as a Super Saiyan firstly (for promotional reasons), and then reanimated the scene to make him Ultimate Gohan. I find it hard to believe that SS Gohan in the SSG ritual was an unfixed error... it's too stupid to be happening.
And as for Toriyama forgetting Ultimate Gohan, I assume Toriyama forgot SS3 before re-reading the manga (he said he read the manga again for the movie), so I think he knew about Ultimate Gohan when the movie was made.

I didn't mean it like that. I just meant that since not everything was thought up by him, Gohan going Super Saiyan might not be either.

Personally, I think it was a deliberately unfixed error. Like, they went back and redid the scenes to fix Gohan, and left that scene alone because Gohan is just out of place otherwise. I really can't see any other reason for Gohan to only go Super Saiyan there, and for no-one to comment on it at all. It just kind of happens, and it seems way too random as the only appearance of Super Saiyan Gohan in the movie.

Toriyama forgetting Ultimate Gohan seems like something that he might forget even after reading over the manga, because it seems a lot easier to overlook than the Super Saiyan forms which he made a lot more explicit.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Personally, I think it was a deliberately unfixed error. Like, they went back and redid the scenes to fix Gohan, and left that scene alone because Gohan is just out of place otherwise. I really can't see any other reason for Gohan to only go Super Saiyan there, and for no-one to comment on it at all. It just kind of happens, and it seems way too random as the only appearance of Super Saiyan Gohan in the movie.

The thing is, they re-watched the movie to edit errors. We are not talking about a small error like Gohan's belt being the wrong one (like someone pointed out), we are talking about a guy with shining golden hair & aura, who I guess didn't appear like that for just a moment. Since it wasn't directly stated in the manga that Gohan can't go Super Saiyan, I don't see a reason for someone throwing a comment like "wait, you can still go Super Saiyan?!". He does it because he can. I guess Gohan had to turn into a Super Saiyan for the ritual (maybe kei17 could give us some more info on this?), so it's not so random. Why should Gohan turn Super Saiyan against Bills, when his Ultimate state is stronger?

[Saiga]

The thing is, they re-watched the movie to edit errors. We are not talking about a small error like Gohan's belt being the wrong one (like someone pointed out), we are talking about a guy with shining golden hair & aura, who I guess didn't appear like that for just a moment. Since it wasn't directly stated in the manga that Gohan can't go Super Saiyan, I don't see a reason for someone throwing a comment like "wait, you can still go Super Saiyan?!". He does it because he can. I guess Gohan had to turn into a Super Saiyan for the ritual (maybe kei17 could give us some more info on this?), so it's not so random. Why should Gohan turn Super Saiyan against Bills, when his Ultimate state is stronger?

But I'm not saying they missed it. I'm saying the originally had Gohan as a Super Saiyan, realized the error and edited things, and deliberately chose not to edit it out of the Super Saiyan God empowering scene because then it would no longer fit.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ah, I see. Maybe what you are saying is true, maybe false, we can't know since it would be too embracing from their side. Either way, what matter in the end is what the final product shows, and the final product shows us Gohan going both Ultimate & Super Saiyan.

[supacomboy]

Hi everyone, I had a friend email this to me, saying he had found it on a Japanese site somewhere, but he couldn't link me as he forgot.
I'm gonna make the assumption that this is a fan-piece but does anyone know definitively if it is or not?? Thanks!!

[JeffJarrett]

Goku's SSJG design looks similar to the design he has in WSJ.

[supacomboy]

Goku's SSJG design looks similar to the design he has in WSJ

Yeah, it's very similar to what has been seen of Super Saiyan God form, I was wondering though if it was an official piece of promo/art or fan piece based on what has been seen already?? I'm still thinking it is perhaps most likley the latter of the two.......

[MCDaveG]

Looks fanart to me. Can tell by the style.

[kei17]

Hi everyone, I had a friend email this to me, saying he had found it on a Japanese site somewhere, but he couldn't link me as he forgot.
I'm gonna make the assumption that this is a fan-piece but does anyone know definitively if it is or not?? Thanks!!

How can that be official?

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php? ... d=34342755

[SaiyaJedi]

Goku's SSJG design looks similar to the design he has in WSJ:

So many of our forum-goers are interested in finance. It's weird.









(Weekly Jump is abbreviated "WJ". Everyone here seems to be reading the Wall Street Journal...)

[supacomboy]

Looks fanart to me. Can tell by the style.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking but my friend was saying it was promo stuff.

How can that be official?

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php? ... d=34342755

Thank's for the source Kei.

Vジャンの記事画像から想像力を働かせて補完

is that:
"My imagination was put to work from V-jump's article image".....??
If so that seems to clear that up for me. Thanks!!

How would ほうかん be translated with 働かせてbefore it?? Supplementary work??

Thanks!!

[hulkty]

I think someone on YouTube said they'd post the full movie on the 17th, but I haven't seen anything...