New series based on multiple universes?

[Saiga]

I took it as other realms of existence. Completely different realities.

This is what I think too. I want the other universes to expand the Dragon Ball "world" not simply be alternative versions of the main story. Though I have to wonder where Future Trunks' timeline would fit in all of this.

Not just Future Trunks' timeline, but Cell's timeline and the timeline the other Future Trunks went to. If timelines were separate Universes, we'd already have a quarter of them.

[Michsi]

Not just Future Trunks' timeline, but Cell's timeline and the timeline the other Future Trunks went to. If timelines were separate Universes, we'd already have a quarter of them.

Bah, I forgot there were several versions of the future because of Cell. I just hope that's not the case. I understood that every universe has it's own god of destruction, but with this alternative timeline/universe, wouldn't it mean that it's still Birusu, just like we have two versions of Trunks?

[Saiga]

Not just Future Trunks' timeline, but Cell's timeline and the timeline the other Future Trunks went to. If timelines were separate Universes, we'd already have a quarter of them.

Bah, I forgot they were several versions of the future because of Cell. I just hope that's not case. I understood that every universe has it's own god of destruction, but with this alternative timeline/universe, wouldn't it mean that it's still Birusu, just like we have two versions of Trunks?

I'm not sure. I guess it would be weird for them to mention 12 Gods of Destruction if they've got dupes.

I hope timelines are counted as one Universe, because to me that makes me think the other Universes would be completely different.

[Michsi]

I guess it would be weird for them to mention 12 Gods of Destruction if they've got dupes.

Yup, that's what I meant. Different gods might be an argument in favor of the other universes being completely different realities rather than alternative realities.

[Blade]

There's no way in hell Toei would let the new movie go any length to discredit or de-value GT as it continues to be a source of income to them.

That's a little extreme. I think the number of people who wouldn't buy GT DVDs because it can't fit into the rest of the story can be counted on one hand, and it's not like it needs Battle of Gods to be "discredited" on that front.

I think the real situation is the movie isn't going to go through the lengths of "discrediting" or "de-valuing" GT because it in and of itself is irrelevant right now. The same way it's not going out of its way to make, I don't know, Movie 13 impossible. It's important to remember there's a big time difference in when these things aired in Japan and the West; GT is not fresh on anyone's mind over there.

It's not exactly fresh on western minds either, keep in mind that GT was debuting in the US 10 years ago. Nevertheless, GT is a direct anime sequel to Z and the most substantial side story in the Dragonball franchise. It continues to air in syndication in Japan and across the world, it's still a property that Toei continues to monetise and it still represents their largest financial investment in the Dragonball franchise that departs from the Manga.

Toei has been milking everything Dragonball for years in light of no new material. Kai represented their most verbose attempt to re-hash what they already had but ultimately proved disappointing for them. If this movie is to go any length in re-igniting the financial return of franchise it would represent a very poor decision to allow its story to become embroiled in any argument that either validates or refutes an entire series that they continue to sell to fans.

I think that the fact that GT isn't really mentioned either way in regard to the interviews or the media coverage in Japan around Battle of God's isn't entirely just because it's no longer fresh in the mind but largely because it's something that they want to avoid.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Not just Future Trunks' timeline, but Cell's timeline and the timeline the other Future Trunks went to. If timelines were separate Universes, we'd already have a quarter of them.

Bardock went back in time as well, so 1 more timeline.

[Marco Polo]

I'm calling it now.. Toei signed a deal with Salagir, DB Multiverse gets officially adapted.. to the arguments of "But it's only 12 universes not 21 of them" or "But Goku's in this # universe and in the comic he's from the 18" or w/e.. all I can say is.. of course they're going to change stuff. They're Toei.

Oh or maybe instead of DBM getting officially adapted, they simply just swipe the idea from DBM without any aknowledgement or royalties.. since y'know, they can legally do that since DBM technically is a copyright violation anyway.

Or hey maybe the whole multiverse thing is just being influenced by American comics.. Kami knows, "multiverse" is like a common thing in US comics lol. In fact, that inspired me to start writing a fanfic called Dragonball Crisis.. which actually came out before DBM started -_- but mine was just a little-known fanfic that I never finished, so no credit towards me lol. Though in my fantasy world I'll just believe my fanfic inspired DBM which in turn inspired Battle of Gods.

So, yeah. I created Battle of Gods. Thank me later.

Multiverses is just the next logical step after everything we got in the series... Salagir and the BoG writers came up with a similar idea because the way the series has progressed is conducive to it, that's all. Just read this post from another thread:

I always appreciated the escalation of Goku's opponents:

He starts out as this wild boy who lives in the woods and uses his natural superhuman strength and martial arts to beat the strongest opponents in the wild (animals, beasts, dinosaurs)

Next comes humans, whom are the rulers of this world, and beats the most authoritarian and evil of the human race - men with guns (Red Ribbon Army)

Then we learn the true strongest humans in the Dragonball world are the martial arts masters. Also, he is a martial artist, so it's only natural he fight the strongest of his peers, the greatest martial artist masters in the world (Tenkaichi-Budokai)

Now the Demon clan appear. Similar to the snake and mongoose, they are sworn enemies and they fear each other. They are the greatest evil Earth has ever known. Goku fights the King of the Demon clan (Piccolo-Daimao, and Piccolo)

Along comes Z. Goku is the strongest on Earth, so now he needs new opponents from other worlds, with training from the afterlife! We always knew Goku was special, but now we learn why; he's an alien whose strength and battle sense is naturally superior to any human's. A race of people whose sole purpose is to fight. So he battles the strongest of his own race, the number one Saiyan (Prince Vegeta)

Soon it is revealed the mighty Saiyans are actually bossed around by an all powerful being who actually was so strong he destroyed the entire warrior race of the Saiyans. Now it's the strongest earthling versus the strongest fighter in the universe (Freeza)

After beating the strongest in the universe, now Goku has to fight opponents who had to travel through time itself. These opponents aren't even natural, but were solely created to SPECIFICALLY fight and kill him, and were born and bred knowing all of his moves and tactics. Essentially he has to fight THE ultimate fighter, made up of the strongest attributes of the strongest warriors in the Dragonball universe thus far - Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, and even himself (Cell)

And now, we learn that across all of time, the cosmos, different worlds and dimensions and even the afterlife that there are actually Lords or Gods that control it all, not just Kaio and Enma. And these deities are terrified of a force of evil born during the beginning of the universe that doesn't want to conquer or rule, or fight, but just kill and destroy. And it's up to Goku to stop this evil personified. The strongest in existance (Majin-Buu)

Going from bears and tigers in his backyard, to an all powerful being that can destroy the universe itself.

[Hellspawn28]

I rather see AT do his own sequel to DBZ and showing what he would have done after Goku left with Ubb.

[soulnova]

As Marco Polo put it, multiverses are the next logical steps. What I do not know is the way they would go along with it. Completely different universes or simply alternative timelines from their own? I would go for totally different ones.

[Chuquita]

I'd also rather have completely different universes. Make each one wildly different from the next; fresh, memorable and unique universes would make for interesting places to watch the cast travel across. There'd be some they may feel at home in, others that are confusing or difficult to adjust to, some that are obviously dangerous and some that are, but initially don't look it.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Blade]

WHY do we need another series? WHY can't you accept the fact that Dragon Ball ended more than 15+ years ago? Unless you're FUNimation, there's no other reason to milk the franchise. None.

And Toei have been doing what for the past 10 years?

Why do we need more Dragonball? Why do we need cake? Or chocolate? Or beer? We don't - there's no necessity, but we like these things because they make us happy. More is good and in the case of Dragonball time has made the heart fonder.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Hellspawn28]

I can see where you are coming from, but I do think a new series will be nice to have. I know we have a lot of stuff we can talk about, but new material is nice to have. How many times we can talk about "Was Gohan mystic in Movie 12" or "Who would win?! SSJ3 Goku vs. LSSJ3 Broly!!".

[Blade]

WHY do we need another series? WHY can't you accept the fact that Dragon Ball ended more than 15+ years ago? Unless you're FUNimation, there's no other reason to milk the franchise. None.

And Toei have been doing what for the past 10 years?

Why do we need more Dragonball? Why do we need cake? Or chocolate? Or beer? We don't - there's no necessity, but we like these things because they make us happy. More is good and in the case of Dragonball time has made the heart fonder.

Aaaaaaand that's precisely why we don't need it! Having too much of something isn't always a good thing. I can't even begin to describe what a terrible feeling it is to get ripped off as a child because of greedy fans wanting more. It always has to be more. More action and more explaining. More talking, and more adventure. Companies distribute more animation, and the greedy fans are satisfied while the others shake their head in disappointment. I'm not sure about you, but I don't like the idea of having shit smeared all over my childhood memories from people who wan't more. It's ridiculous. At some point, you have to draw the line.

You can draw the line whenever you want. Stop buying - then you're no longer a consumer.

As for the rest of us: I think we deserve the opportunity to decide for ourselves. The only way we can ever quantify any such decision would be to experience more product. Ergo: bring on moar.

[VegettoEX]

Why do we need more Dragonball? Why do we need cake? Or chocolate? Or beer? We don't - there's no necessity...

Does not compute.

Also, I just want my damn Neko Majin OVA. Though I guess OVAs are pretty much dead these days. I suppose just a short TV series...?

[Blade]

Why do we need more Dragonball? Why do we need cake? Or chocolate? Or beer? We don't - there's no necessity...

Does not compute.

Also, I just want my damn Neko Majin OVA. Though I guess OVAs are pretty much dead these days. I suppose just a short TV series...?

Touche. I actually wrote that sipping an Asahi Super Dry.

Alas my penchant to subvert my taste for alcohol fails me.

[Bussani]

Aaaaaaand that's precisely why we don't need it! Having too much of something isn't always a good thing.

If you don't want cake, don't have cake. If other people want cake, let them. I don't see how them enjoying cake will hurt you.

[B]

I think that the fact that GT isn't really mentioned either way in regard to the interviews or the media coverage in Japan around Battle of God's isn't entirely just because it's no longer fresh in the mind but largely because it's something that they want to avoid.

I guess this where we differ; you're under the impression Toei is actively avoiding GT; they're trying to forget it. I say they're passively avoiding it and have already forgotten.

And I guess it bears repeating; the shocking revelation that GT has holes and doesn't fit into the overall main story without coming up with your own explanations isn't going to deter sales anymore than... it has since its 1996 debut. Obviously Toei is not going to come out and directly tell everyone GT doesn't matter.

[DBZ Mick]

I wouldn't mind a short 50 or so episode series of Goku and co travelling to all these universes fighting all the various Gods of Destruction and anything else.
Or movies telling a similar story.

Nothing over 200 though...

But I do think the story has been stretched enough.