It doesn't matter if we need it, that's not what thread is about. The Chozenshuu hint more new anime, which could be more movies, OVAs, or (most likely IMO) a new series. The new movie suddenly expanded the Dragon World, and made it 12 times bigger, and even introduced new gods, who are stronger than Goku (who is the strongest of the Z-Senshi now). We are definitely going to get more anime stuff.AnimeMaakuo wrote:Why do we need another series? Why can't you just accept that Dragon Ball ended more than 15+ years ago? Unless you're FUNimation, there's no other reason to milk the franchise.None.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm mostly hoping for a new series with further explanation about the 12 universes. If that happens, maybe we'll get to see how timelines fit into this like a few others have already said. As for GT, I don't really got much to say other than I hope it's placed in a different universe or something.
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I'd be curious about a new movie, but I have no interest in a new ongoing series.
I think David Simon's quote about his show The Wire applies to Dragon Ball, too:
Mini Dragon Ball stories, like Battle of Gods, have some appeal to me, though.
Also, add me to the list of people who don't want the DB multi-verse to consist of parallel universes. It's such a hackneyed concept and it's rarely done well, especially when it's about preserving or correcting a franchise. Use these new universes to introduce new friends and foes (or Neko Majin, of course). And, please, keep it under two hours. Or four if there's need to be yet another movie.
I think David Simon's quote about his show The Wire applies to Dragon Ball, too:
In my opinion, Dragon Ball was already bending by the time it reached its conclusion.DAVID SIMON: I've walked away from the WIRE universe. It's had its five years. Stories that have a beginning, middle, and end-- sort of stand-as stories-- if you keep stuff open ended, and if you keep trying to stretch character and plot, they eventually break or they bend.
Mini Dragon Ball stories, like Battle of Gods, have some appeal to me, though.
Also, add me to the list of people who don't want the DB multi-verse to consist of parallel universes. It's such a hackneyed concept and it's rarely done well, especially when it's about preserving or correcting a franchise. Use these new universes to introduce new friends and foes (or Neko Majin, of course). And, please, keep it under two hours. Or four if there's need to be yet another movie.
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I'm hoping they make a special or something featuring Baby Janemba.
He looks like a pretty badass villain.
He looks like a pretty badass villain.
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Are you seriously trying to suggest that it hasn't occurred to Toei at all what kind of continuity implications the setting of this expansion of the franchise has on an entire series that they commissioned as a direct sequel? Do you really think that they've just forgotten that it ever happened or that they ever spent several years producing it? I think you're being a tad naive.B wrote:I guess this where we differ; you're under the impression Toei is actively avoiding GT; they're trying to forget it. I say they're passively avoiding it and have already forgotten.Blade wrote:I think that the fact that GT isn't really mentioned either way in regard to the interviews or the media coverage in Japan around Battle of God's isn't entirely just because it's no longer fresh in the mind but largely because it's something that they want to avoid.
And I guess it bears repeating; the shocking revelation that GT has holes and doesn't fit into the overall main story without coming up with your own explanations isn't going to deter sales anymore than... it has since its 1996 debut. Obviously Toei is not going to come out and directly tell everyone GT doesn't matter.
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Blade, I feel like your response to B doesn't even make a lick of sense.
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Regarding Dragon Ball GT: the Japanese DVDs have sold pretty damn well.
On the subject of a new series: I'd like one. If Toei Animation was to buckle down and do a high-quality one or two cour series ($200,000-300,000 and episode) I would be happy to jump on board and even import the Japanese releases. I suspect they won't try for a new series so soon after Dragon Ball Kai, though. I think new movies are more likely.
On the subject of a new series: I'd like one. If Toei Animation was to buckle down and do a high-quality one or two cour series ($200,000-300,000 and episode) I would be happy to jump on board and even import the Japanese releases. I suspect they won't try for a new series so soon after Dragon Ball Kai, though. I think new movies are more likely.
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Remastered footage isn't going to sell to a new audience. Toei's entire goal right now is to set up a second and third wave of NEW fans to sell nostalgia to another twenty years down the road.AnimeMaakuo wrote:Instead of having new material, why don't they just remaster the footage? Sure it would be expensive, but if they promoted enough, albiet that fans would latch onto the whole "the way it was meant to be seen" spheal.
You can only keep selling the same crap to the same fans so many times before they either: (1) all die and/or (2) get sick of buying the same thing over and over.
Thus, desire for new audience. Thus, new material.
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But it doesn't matter what you or I consider canon, because the new stuff that are gonna come will most likely be related with the 12 Universes.AnimeMaakuo wrote:I'm well aware of what the Chōzenshū's mention, however I don't take the movies very seriously, therefore the universes that pertain to said movie don't exist in the main timeline.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It would be nice if Toriyama used this movie to create a new saga in, which goku and friends must train to fight each of the god of the destruction in each universe. Eventually leading up to Goku fighting Whis.
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They have already remastered 508 episodes, 3 TV Specials, and 17 Movies from DB/Z/GT for DVD, and have also re-remastered DBZ partially (excluding most of the fillers) in the form of DBKai. So, there is still a possibility for re(-re)-remastering (and maybe a proper one) of the whole series for a Blu-ray release.AnimeMaakuo wrote:Do you believe that TOEI will ever consider going through with a proper remaster someday?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I wouldn't mind either way. If they were to make a new series i would want it to be before GT and for Akira Toriyama to say GT no longer counts as an official Dragon Ball story. Even without it being said i like to think this way anyway 
It's not that i hate GT its just that i am not a massive fan of it, they only thing they got right in my opinion was the Shadow Dragons, it was a good way to end the Dragon Ball story.
The thing i worry about is how the story will go. I feel it would only be about Saiyans, i really can't see Human's or Piccolo having any impact sadly, apart from Uub that is. One of the main problems i had with Z was that it was moving further and further away from the older characters, GT sealed that by pretty much removing the majority of the Z Fighters. They would need to find a way to involve the likes of Tien, Chiaotzu, Krillin and Piccolo without them doing some sort of transformation to become stronger, transformations have been done to death now.
It's not that i hate GT its just that i am not a massive fan of it, they only thing they got right in my opinion was the Shadow Dragons, it was a good way to end the Dragon Ball story.The thing i worry about is how the story will go. I feel it would only be about Saiyans, i really can't see Human's or Piccolo having any impact sadly, apart from Uub that is. One of the main problems i had with Z was that it was moving further and further away from the older characters, GT sealed that by pretty much removing the majority of the Z Fighters. They would need to find a way to involve the likes of Tien, Chiaotzu, Krillin and Piccolo without them doing some sort of transformation to become stronger, transformations have been done to death now.
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Toriyama has already called GT a side story. Isn't that good enough?
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Wait, side story means non-canon? 
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Ok, ok... what about this:
Uub, Pan and Marron fall accidentally on one of these multiverses.
Uub, Pan and Marron fall accidentally on one of these multiverses.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"
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But what does he mean by "side story" ? if he means non-canon then why not word it better and actually say non-canon ?Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:Toriyama has already called GT a side story. Isn't that good enough?