Could the Earthlings do Gravity Training?

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't think they can. The only time we see Earthlings training in anything above normal gravity is on Kaio's planet, and that's when they're dead. Saiyans have the ability to "fight anywhere," and their bodies are already genetically predisposed to higher levels of gravity, which is why Goku and Vegeta can use this training so effectively. Earthlings, however, don't have this trait; higher levels of gravity would put immense strain on the heart, among other things, and kill them. I feel that on Kaio's planet, being dead allowed them to circumvent normally bodily functions, such as blood circulation, allowing them to train in the higher gravity while dead, but that they could no longer do this after being brought back to life. What do you guys think?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yes... Yamcha, Chaozu, and Tenshinhan all went to Kaio's planet....

[Kamiccolo9]

Yes... Yamcha, Chaozu, and Tenshinhan all went to Kaio's planet....

Yes, I addressed that. They only went there while they were dead though. We know Goku didn't have to eat while he was dead, so it's reasonable to assume that other bodily functions weren't necessary while dead either.

[Kaboom]

They obviously CAN undergo and benefit from gravity training, as their time with Kaio would attest to. But I think they'd end up with a much lower threshold for what they can handle compared to the naturally tougher-built Saiyans.

[Bussani]

I guess there's no way to know for sure if the Earthlings could handle ten times Earth's gravity while alive, since we don't see them do it. Tenshinhan originally planned to use the Room of Spirit and Time, though, which had that level of gravity. To be honest, I don't think Toriyama would have thought it was impossible for humans, but there's no way to know for sure without asking him.

[dbzfan7]

They obviously CAN undergo and benefit from gravity training, as their time with Kaio would attest to. But I think they'd end up with a much lower threshold for what they can handle compared to the naturally tougher-built Saiyans.

Exactly. Also the humans have no zenkai's to abuse like the Saiyans either.

[saberman90]

I don't really know, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zesceyrNPds

[Pantalones]

Gravity resistance goes up based on how strong you are and continued exposure to high gravity which lets you build up a tolerance for it. It's not just some inherent trait of Saiyan bodies that humans or other species don't have, though I guess Saiyans may have a small "head start" to gravity resistance in their first years so their babies can make it for long enough to get strong enough (and build up enough of a tolerance for the gravity through experience) that they don't struggle just to move anymore.

Just look at Goku. He was most certainly NOT naturally able to withstand high gravity! Spent maybe a few days or so on Vegeta, but lived on a low-gravity world his entire life, and he really struggles with the same 10x gravity that should be his natural environment if "resistant to 10x gravity" is some inborn Saiyan trait. He actually does worse initially than the humans do when they arrive on the North Kaio's planet later on. They were stronger by that point than Goku was on arrival, but still... if Saiyans had some huge natural advantage in high-gravity environments that humans don't have, then Goku shouldn't have had so much trouble at first. This definitely points toward being exposed to high gravity and building a tolerance for it over time being a much bigger factor than anything to do with your species. The only other thing that seems to be a real factor in how you can handle gravity is raw power, as seen with Trunks being able to overcome the gravity by going Super Saiyan even though he wasn't used to it at all.

Basically... there's no reason to believe that the humans would just magically be unable to train in high gravity. Anyone who's never been in high gravity before can adjust to it with time as long as they're strong enough to survive it in the first place (so no gravity training for Mr. Satan or Farmer with Shotgun), but they will struggle with it at first no matter how powerful they are, at least if they're below "Super Saiyan-ish" levels of power. Again, take Trunks for example--his base form had to be at least in the low single-digit millions, yet he could barely walk in something like 100x gravity, which Goku had no trouble with when he was only at 90,000... plus Trunks was a kid at the time and would weigh a lot less than adult Goku to begin with, so he should've had an easier time with the extra weight.

[Bussani]

Basically... there's no reason to believe that the humans would just magically be unable to train in high gravity.

It doesn't have to be magic. Realistically speaking, even the strongest human wouldn't be able to survive in gravity that high because the human heart just isn't powerful enough to pump blood to the brain in those conditions. I think that's the sort of thing Kamiccolo9 was getting at. You might still disagree with that, of course--and I don't think Toriyama would have thought about it like this myself, either--but it feels like you're disagreeing for the wrong reasons at the moment.

[Kamiccolo9]

Basically... there's no reason to believe that the humans would just magically be unable to train in high gravity.

It doesn't have to be magic. Realistically speaking, even the strongest human wouldn't be able to survive in gravity that high because the human heart just isn't powerful enough to pump blood to the brain in this conditions. I think that's the sort of thing Kamiccolo9 was getting at. You might still disagree with that, of course--and I don't think Toriyama would have thought about it like this myself, either--but it feels like you're disagreeing for the wrong reasons at the moment.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. King Kai said that saiyans have the ability to fight anywhere, which I took to mean as them being able to adapt to their surroundings in order to fight better. The Earthlings don't have this ability.

[Rocketman]

The narrator says a human's body would be instantly crushed in 100x gravity.

[shonenhikada]

They obviously CAN undergo and benefit from gravity training, as their time with Kaio would attest to. But I think they'd end up with a much lower threshold for what they can handle compared to the naturally tougher-built Saiyans.

Stop downplaying the humans. There every bit as determined as base saiyans if given the same opportunity. Saiyans appear tougher because they massively abuse zenkai system.

[Marco Polo]

Yes... Yamcha, Chaozu, and Tenshinhan all went to Kaio's planet....

This. If Kaio's training were pointless after their revived, I don't think Kami would have sent them there to train to begin with. The humans obviously benefitted from their training on Kaio's planet (even if that wasn't enough to pose a threat to Frieza and the Androids).

[Hitiro]

This. If Kaio's training were pointless after their revived, I don't think Kami would have sent them there to train to begin with. The humans obviously benefitted from their training on Kaio's planet (even if that wasn't enough to pose a threat to Freeza and the Androids).

I think its more that humans have more durability while they're because, well... They are dead. Sure they got the benefits when they were brought back but I doubt if they were to go to a planet with 10x at their current level they wouldn't have survived. Look at Goku in the Boo arc, his SSJ3 form is more suited for when he is dead in the other world than when he's alive. Its purely "dead body" > "living body"

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yes... Yamcha, Chaozu, and Tenshinhan all went to Kaio's planet....

Yes, I addressed that. They only went there while they were dead though. We know Goku didn't have to eat while he was dead, so it's reasonable to assume that other bodily functions weren't necessary while dead either.

Goku was affected by the gravity when he first arrived... a dead obviously doesn't matters...

They obviously CAN undergo and benefit from gravity training, as their time with Kaio would attest to. But I think they'd end up with a much lower threshold for what they can handle compared to the naturally tougher-built Saiyans.

Stop downplaying the humans. There every bit as determined as base saiyans if given the same opportunity. Saiyans appear tougher because they massively abuse zenkai system.

Krillin is stronger than Tenshinahan and he rarely trains. He likely isn't any stronger than Freeza's third form.

[Kamiccolo9]

They obviously CAN undergo and benefit from gravity training, as their time with Kaio would attest to. But I think they'd end up with a much lower threshold for what they can handle compared to the naturally tougher-built Saiyans.

Stop downplaying the humans. There every bit as determined as base saiyans if given the same opportunity. Saiyans appear tougher because they massively abuse zenkai system.

Saiyans appear toughter than the humans because they are. We've seen both Goku and Vegeta fight on with injuries that would incapacitate any human. Determination can only go so far, which is why they eventually give up on trying to keep up with the Saiyans.

[shonenhikada]

Yes... Yamcha, Chaozu, and Tenshinhan all went to Kaio's planet....

Yes, I addressed that. They only went there while they were dead though. We know Goku didn't have to eat while he was dead, so it's reasonable to assume that other bodily functions weren't necessary while dead either.

Goku was affected by the gravity when he first arrived... a dead obviously doesn't matters...

They obviously CAN undergo and benefit from gravity training, as their time with Kaio would attest to. But I think they'd end up with a much lower threshold for what they can handle compared to the naturally tougher-built Saiyans.

Stop downplaying the humans. There every bit as determined as base saiyans if given the same opportunity. Saiyans appear tougher because they massively abuse zenkai system.

Krillin is stronger than Tenshinahan and he rarely trains. He likely isn't any stronger than Freeza's third form.

I'm not even going to bother pointing out the errors in this statement of yours.

[shonenhikada]

They obviously CAN undergo and benefit from gravity training, as their time with Kaio would attest to. But I think they'd end up with a much lower threshold for what they can handle compared to the naturally tougher-built Saiyans.

Stop downplaying the humans. There every bit as determined as base saiyans if given the same opportunity. Saiyans appear tougher because they massively abuse zenkai system.

Saiyans appear toughter than the humans because they are. We've seen both Goku and Vegeta fight on with injuries that would incapacitate any human. Determination can only go so far, which is why they eventually give up on trying to keep up with the Saiyans.

Not really. I think humans are just as tough as saiyans and can make the same gains as them, but the saiyans will alaways get more because they abuse the zenkai system after their intense training.

[Kamiccolo9]

What errors? Krillin has been officially stated to be the strongest Earthling, and none of them have done anything that would put them in the multi-million power range.

[Kaboom]

I'm not even going to bother pointing out the errors in this statement of yours.

Then don't bother posting in response at all if you've got nothing worthwhile to say.