What does Kami do?

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What does Kami do?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:11 am

What in the world does Kami do? Seriously, characters mention that he has duties, but they never show them. All we ever see is him watching. He doesn't help against Piccolo, but he does try to help against Piccolo's offspring, but the impression that I get is that he made an exception in that case. Is there anything in any of the Daizenshuu or interviews with Akira Toriyama where this issue is discussed?
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by Pantalones » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:44 am

Well, he does restore the moon every time somebody blows it up. He also seems to be responsible for making sure Earth's hero types end up in the right place in the afterlife when they die. Not sure what else he might do (besides making the Dragonballs, but that's more a Namekian thing than a Kami-specific thing), but that's what he's shown doing throughout the series at least.

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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:03 pm

Aside from serving as a link to the afterlife, I think his role is just to be the creator of the Dragon Balls. That's why they brought Dende on Earth after his fusion with Piccolo. Contrary to what the fillers suggest, I am under the impression that Earth is the only planet in the universe where there is a "Kami".

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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:36 pm

Marco Polo wrote:Aside from serving as a link to the afterlife, I think his role is just to be the creator of the Dragon Balls. That's why they brought Dende on Earth after his fusion with Piccolo. Contrary to what the fillers suggest, I am under the impression that Earth is the only planet in the universe where there is a "Kami".
When Kami contacts Kaio-sama, doesn't he refer to himself as the "Kami of Earth"? That implies that there's more than one.

THe position of Kami existed long before the Dragon Balls were created on Earth. Being Kami clearly isn't a prerequisit to create Dragon Balls.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:06 pm

He is essentially the Knuckles of this series. He just sits there guarding the Master Emerald only in this case it's Earth. Pretty boring job.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:04 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:He is essentially the Knuckles of this series. He just sits there guarding the Master Emerald only in this case it's Earth. Pretty boring job.
At least Knuckles does something. Though in some games he ain't around the master emerald like in Sonic 06 for some reason. I think that also goes for the Shadow game as well but I never played or watched much of it due to that game being repetitive and boring.

God pretty much trains people to protect the earth for him and seems to serve as a bridge between the after life and living world. The reason he didn't kill Daimao was because the obvious reason it would kill him, but other reason is the rule that God can not commit suicide, which is basically killing Daimao would be.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:26 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:He is essentially the Knuckles of this series. He just sits there guarding the Master Emerald only in this case it's Earth. Pretty boring job.
At least Knuckles does something. Though in some games he ain't around the master emerald like in Sonic 06 for some reason. I think that also goes for the Shadow game as well but I never played or watched much of it due to that game being repetitive and boring.

God pretty much trains people to protect the earth for him and seems to serve as a bridge between the after life and living world. The reason he didn't kill Daimao was because the obvious reason it would kill him, but other reason is the rule that God can not commit suicide, which is basically killing Daimao would be.
Does he really train people? Not even Muten Roshi made it past Karin's.

Here's the problem I have with the idea of him not killing Piccolo. I get it, he can't committ suicide, but considering how much stronger he was than Piccolo, it wouldn't take much to incapacitate him. Think about it, Goku defeats a Piccolo Daimao who was made young by Shen Long, and yet Mr. Popo defeats him like he was nothing, and Kami is even stronger than him, even though Kami was getting up there in years.

Helping the dead go to the other side is as good as any other guess.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by NeoKING » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:46 pm

He's God. I always thought it was implied that Kami was basically the God (not god) of the DB Earth, meaning everything God is usually known for would be attributed towards Kami in DB. Well, in the Japanese version anyway. Growing up, I had no clue that Kami meant God. So, the Japanese readers probably assumed that he's the God that's in the Bible, or something.

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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:He is essentially the Knuckles of this series. He just sits there guarding the Master Emerald only in this case it's Earth. Pretty boring job.
At least Knuckles does something. Though in some games he ain't around the master emerald like in Sonic 06 for some reason. I think that also goes for the Shadow game as well but I never played or watched much of it due to that game being repetitive and boring.

God pretty much trains people to protect the earth for him and seems to serve as a bridge between the after life and living world. The reason he didn't kill Daimao was because the obvious reason it would kill him, but other reason is the rule that God can not commit suicide, which is basically killing Daimao would be.
In the comic books Knuckles sits there for months sometimes. Knuckles also gets up and does stuff because he is actually useful, at least in the comics. Knuckles is a badass in there. Knuckles duties are foregone in the games these days for whatever reason. It kinda annoys me to some extent. He had no reason to be in Sonic 06 or Shadow the Hedgehog. Yeah I like Knuckles but when he should be guarding the Master Emerald he should be guarding the Master Emerald.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by Bussani » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:17 am

ABED wrote:Here's the problem I have with the idea of him not killing Piccolo. I get it, he can't committ suicide, but considering how much stronger he was than Piccolo, it wouldn't take much to incapacitate him. Think about it, Goku defeats a Piccolo Daimao who was made young by Shen Long, and yet Mr. Popo defeats him like he was nothing, and Kami is even stronger than him, even though Kami was getting up there in years.
When he's introduced, Kami does say that mortals should depend on themselves where possible, and that it wouldn't do for any man to start say "We'll just rely on God to fix it". Perhaps he foresaw that Goku would step up and stop Piccolo--after all, Uranai Baba did. The guides describe the planetary gods as being sort of like guides who help lead their planets towards happiness. It definitely seems harsh, but I sort of like it in a way. If gods stepped in and solved everything, would Goku have become the hero we know him as?
Marco Polo wrote:Contrary to what the fillers suggest, I am under the impression that Earth is the only planet in the universe where there is a "Kami".
Well, the guides say that every planet with life has a Kami chosen from its sentient population, at least.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by ABED » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:36 am

It must be a bitch of a time to select the Kami for the Saiyans since being of pure heart is a requirement.

I get that they don't want Kami to step in an do everything but that seems like a bit of a copout in some cases, such as Piccolo Daimao. Kami may not have been able to kill him, but at some point he surpassed his evil half.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:49 pm

According to filler, the Kami of Vegeta destroyed it... I guess that must mean Freeza was the Kami. Fitting; he was pure of heart as well.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:34 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:According to filler, the Kami of Vegeta destroyed it... I guess that must mean Freeza was the Kami. Fitting; he was pure of heart as well.
Or Kaio was simply wrong about it.
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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by Dabooyaka » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:52 am

He does nothing. He only watches. He is not strong enough to even fight adversaries on Raditz level.
Yes, he made the Dragonballs, but that's more a Namek thing...

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Re: What does Kami do?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:05 pm

Dabooyaka wrote:He does nothing. He only watches. He is not strong enough to even fight adversaries on Raditz level.
Yes, he made the Dragonballs, but that's more a Namek thing...
Well, in his defense, he was stronger than every other threat Earth faced for almost all of his term as God.
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