The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:26 pm

I think it's perfectly possible. 15 years of training and 5 of them training with the Reincarnation of Buu is bound to give you a substantial increase. Seeing as how Piccolo got a substantial increase by training with Ssj Goku for 3 years, I don't see why it wouldn't be the same with 5 years of training with Pure Buu's equal.
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Post by ZombieVito » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:36 pm

Really curious on this one:

Yamu vs Spopovitch
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:03 pm

Zombie wrote:Really curious on this one:

Yamu vs Spopovitch
Spopobitchi.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:11 pm

Yamu has NO fight scenes, so it's impossible to determine.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:19 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think it's perfectly possible. 15 years of training and 5 of them training with the Reincarnation of Buu is bound to give you a substantial increase. Seeing as how Piccolo got a substantial increase by training with Ssj Goku for 3 years, I don't see why it wouldn't be the same with 5 years of training with Pure Buu's equal.
The first 5 years ( before BOG ) years to master the SSJ3 transformation ( no energy lost, no time limit ), next 5 years to go beyond SSJ3 limits and last 5 years of sparring ( one hell of a sparring ) with Oob = :problem: Looking at that way, maybe could be possible!
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:50 pm

SS3 cannot be mastered.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:03 pm

Rocketman wrote:SS3 cannot be mastered.
And that's stated where? I agree that it likely can't be mastered but it's certainly not a fact.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:26 pm

Super Saiyan 1 was "mastered" by means of keeping one's self in the form for extended periods of time, likely multiple full days in a row, to allow the body to become accustomed to the form's stress. That sort of thing should presumably be completely impossible for Super Saiyan 3, which drains your ki and stamina so viciously fast that you lose the form and all your reserve power with it after 5-10 minutes at most.

Heck, I personally think it's not even possible for the "supercharged" state that is Super Saiyan 2, much less the energy-guzzling monstrosity that is level 3.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:29 pm

Pikkon(Post 7 Years) vs Movie 10 Broly
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:30 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Paikuhan vs Broly
Broli smashes.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:32 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Paikuhan vs Broly
Which Broly?

Movie 8 LSSj Broly gets his green-glowing butt handed to him.
Movie 10 LSSj Broly returns the favor to Paikuhan.
Movie 11 Bio-Broly gets laughed at and spit on then effortlessly disintegrated.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Kaboom wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Paikuhan vs Broly
Which Broly?

Movie 8 LSSj Broly gets his green-glowing butt handed to him.
Movie 10 LSSj Broly returns the favor to Paikuhan.
Movie 11 Bio-Broly gets laughed at and spit on then effortlessly disintegrated.
Movie 10 Broly vs Pikkon(Post 7 Years)
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:34 pm

I had M10 Broli in my mind BTW.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:34 pm

Pikkon one-shots Broly with that same flaming kick he used on Super Perfect Cell.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:36 pm

Kaboom wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Paikuhan vs Broly
Which Broly?

Movie 8 LSSj Broly gets his green-glowing butt handed to him.
Movie 10 LSSj Broly returns the favor to Paikuhan.
Movie 11 Bio-Broly gets laughed at and spit on then effortlessly disintegrated.
What you said. Paikuhan is toei enhanced to knock out Super Perfect Cell in one blow. So he beats Movie 8 Broly. Movie 10 I feel would win, and as you said Bio Broly gets laughed at before disintegrated.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:17 pm

Super Saiyan Vegeta (pre-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell (pre-human meal).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:19 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Super Saiyan Vegeta (pre-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell (pre-human meal).
If you mean the Vegeta who fought 18, Vegeta loses.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:21 pm

Yeah that one. He's fighting the Cell that was weaker than Piccolo and the androids.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Saiga » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:26 pm

Yeah, I think Vegeta loses. I'm pretty sure Cell was stronger than everyone but the Androids and Piccolo at that point, though I'm not exactly sure where I got that impression from.
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:27 pm

Vegeta would put up a better fight than he managed against Eighteen, but I think his chances of winning would be slim.
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