Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[TheMightyOzaru]

So what you're saying is that this entire time Goku has actually been completely, utterly, even grossly outclassed by Vegeta, and the only thing keeping him ahead was FPSSJ from years ago?

I wouldn't say grossly outclassed and if he had trained like Vegeta, he would have been about as strong if not stronger but FPSSJ totally outclassed Vegeta.

[kei17]

According to 2ch, Watanabe said Birusu was pun for virus in an interview in GetNavi.

[Draken]

So what you're saying is that this entire time Goku has actually been completely, utterly, even grossly outclassed by Vegeta, and the only thing keeping him ahead was FPSSJ from years ago?

I wouldn't say grossly outclassed and if he had trained like Vegeta, he would have been about as strong if not stronger but FPSSJ totally outclassed Vegeta.

But what you're saying is, once Vegeta learns FPSSJ, he goes from being over 4x weaker than Goku's SSJ3 as SSJ2 to getting at least stronger than Ultimate Gohan, someone who's leaps and bounds ahead of both Vegeta and Goku combined, as a SSJ2 because of FPSSJ?

[fogdark]

If that were the case, then Vegeta would have fought the entire battle like that, but if I remember correctly, he only surpassed Goku for a moment.

He was like that for the entire battle, since from what I understood, that's what happened: Bulma got slapped, Vegeta got pissed, turned Super Saiyan 2, Kame-sennin noted that he had surpassed Goku, he attacked Bills, got his ass kicked.

Well, from what I understood, Vegeta became more powerful in his rage at seeing Bulma get slapped. I may have assumed that Vegeta fought Birusu for a bit, prior to the god slapping Bulma.
But still, even if the entire Vegeta VS Birusu battle happens after Bulma gets slapped, Vegeta still managed to surpass Goku because of his feelings, not because he has trained like crazy and has now become more powerful than Goku. I mean, Goku even jokes about having the next enemy slap Bulma so Vegeta can become that powerful again.

[JulieYBM]

So, if the pun is on 'virus', how does 'Birusu' differ from the Katakana spelling of 'virus'?

[Sanity's_Theif]

I can support Vegeta surpassing Goku on a regular comparison. But going over SSJ3 is ridiculous.

Too bad, it happened, get over it

I hope if there's another movie, we get to see Vegeta tap more into this crazy potential of his and become more useful

[TheMightyOzaru]

So what you're saying is that this entire time Goku has actually been completely, utterly, even grossly outclassed by Vegeta, and the only thing keeping him ahead was FPSSJ from years ago?

I wouldn't say grossly outclassed and if he had trained like Vegeta, he would have been about as strong if not stronger but FPSSJ totally outclassed Vegeta.

But what you're saying is, once Vegeta learns FPSSJ, he goes from being over 4x weaker than Goku's SSJ3 as SSJ2 to getting at least stronger than Ultimate Gohan, someone who's leaps and bounds ahead of both Vegeta and Goku combined, as a SSJ2 because of FPSSJ?

I don't think Gohan is leaps and bounds above Goku. I think Gohan is a mere 10x stronger than Goku during the Buu saga and I think Goku and Vegeta get decently stronger with average training over the years. Yeah I would say that SSJ2 Vegeta after mastering SSJ would beat Gohan but not as just a SSJ. Heck I don't think SSJ3 Goku is too far off Gohan in this film. Quite frankly I find it a bit irksome that people think no one can be stronger than Gohan without some God power up . People put way too much stock into Gohan.

[dbzfan7]

I can support Vegeta surpassing Goku on a regular comparison. But going over SSJ3 is ridiculous.

Too bad, it happened, get over it

I'm still skeptical about this logic event being completely random. Also no need to be an ass about it.

[Makaioshin]

According to 2ch, Watanabe said Birusu was pun for virus in an interview in GetNavi.

I'm going to miss the name Beers.

[kei17]

So, if the pun is on 'virus', how does 'Birusu' differ from the Katakana spelling of 'virus'?

"ビルス" (Birusu) and "ビールス" (biirusu, bîrusu). "ビールス" comes from a German word "Virus" [ˈviːʀʊs], and an alternative word "ウイルス" (uirusu) is based on the original Latin pronunciation. "ビールス" isn't used anymore today.

[JulieYBM]

So, if the pun is on 'virus', how does 'Birusu' differ from the Katakana spelling of 'virus'?

"ビルス" (Birusu) and "ビールス" (biirusu, bîrusu). "ビールス" comes from a German word "Virus" [ˈviːʀʊs], and an alternative word "ウイルス" (uirusu) is based on the original Latin pronunciation. "ビールス" isn't used anymore today.

Huh. So the character's name only removes the extension mark. If this word from 2ch is true I guess it time to switch to Birus.

[JeffJarrett]

It becomes obvious now that it is confirmed:

ビルス = Bilus
ビールス = Virus

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well, is there any indication that BillIt' nap lasted 39 years? He said if the planet was destroyed during his nap, not when he fell asleep.

It's said several times in the movie that Beers has been asleep for 39 years.

I didn't know that, thanks. So yeah, we have a retcon here. I wonder if Pan's age will change in the Full Color Edition of the manga.

Well how about this then, Vegeta never did bother mastering SSJ. If he did it now his power level would skyrocket. Perhaps this is why he got so powerful. Vegeta was too impatient back in the day to even attempt something as prolonged as the process of mastering SSJ but now, I can see him doing it.

Since Future Trunks has the SSFP aura after his 2nd day in the RoSaT, and Vegeta has it in Boo arc, I have Vegeta as a SSFP since the Cell Games.

Well, from what I understood, Vegeta became more powerful in his rage at seeing Bulma get slapped. I may have assumed that Vegeta fought Birusu for a bit, prior to the god slapping Bulma.
But still, even if the entire Vegeta VS Birusu battle happens after Bulma gets slapped, Vegeta still managed to surpass Goku because of his feelings, not because he has trained like crazy and has now become more powerful than Goku. I mean, Goku even jokes about having the next enemy slap Bulma so Vegeta can become that powerful again.

From what I understood, the only thing that implies that Vegeta got stronger because of his rage is Goku's joke, which is... a joke.

Quite frankly I find it a bit irksome that people think no one can be stronger than Gohan without some God power up . People put way too much stock into Gohan.

Well, a x10 difference is a huge difference, and Goku got at most 3 times stronger (without counting his SS forms) during 7 years of training in better conditions than his Earth training. So, I would say that it would be very hard to make a x10 power jump during the 10 years on Earth.

In the end though, it doesn't matter, because Goku is now the Super Saiyan God.

[B]

So, if the pun is on 'virus', how does 'Birusu' differ from the Katakana spelling of 'virus'?

"ビルス" (Birusu) and "ビールス" (biirusu, bîrusu). "ビールス" comes from a German word "Virus" [ˈviːʀʊs], and an alternative word "ウイルス" (uirusu) is based on the original Latin pronunciation. "ビールス" isn't used anymore today.

So if that katakana isn't used anymore, his name is the actual word?

[Draken]

I don't think Gohan is leaps and bounds above Goku. I think Gohan is a mere 10x stronger than Goku during the Buu saga and I think Goku and Vegeta get decently stronger with average training over the years. Yeah I would say that SSJ2 Vegeta after mastering SSJ would beat Gohan but not as just a SSJ. Heck I don't think SSJ3 Goku is too far off Gohan in this film. Quite frankly I find it a bit irksome that people think no one can be stronger than Gohan without some God power up . People put way too much stock into Gohan.

10x stronger than someone is most definitely leaps and bounds by my book... That's a greater difference than SSJ and SSJ3 lol, if that's not leaps and bounds what is? Pretty much what DBZGT said, it just happened, and it's a joke + temporary, but Vegeta is in no way normally stronger than Goku right now (not counting SSG)

[TheMightyOzaru]

Well how about this then, Vegeta never did bother mastering SSJ. If he did it now his power level would skyrocket. Perhaps this is why he got so powerful. Vegeta was too impatient back in the day to even attempt something as prolonged as the process of mastering SSJ but now, I can see him doing it.

Since Future Trunks has the SSFP aura after his 2nd day in the RoSaT, and Vegeta has it in Boo arc, I have Vegeta as a SSFP since the Cell Games.

Art style change, There is no way in hell both attained FPSSJ. If they had, they would be stronger than Goku since they started stronger than when Goku attempted it.

Quite frankly I find it a bit irksome that people think no one can be stronger than Gohan without some God power up . People put way too much stock into Gohan.

Well, a x10 difference is a huge difference, and Goku got at most 3 times stronger (without counting his SS forms) during 7 years of training in better conditions than his Earth training. So, I would say that it would be very hard to make a x10 power jump during the 10 years on Earth.

In the end though, it doesn't matter, because Goku is now the Super Saiyan God.

I disagree, I have Goku getting more than 6x stronger. I have characters getting roughly 1.2-1.3x stronger every year. That means 1.2^5 and that's a 6x increase.

I don't think Gohan is leaps and bounds above Goku. I think Gohan is a mere 10x stronger than Goku during the Buu saga and I think Goku and Vegeta get decently stronger with average training over the years. Yeah I would say that SSJ2 Vegeta after mastering SSJ would beat Gohan but not as just a SSJ. Heck I don't think SSJ3 Goku is too far off Gohan in this film. Quite frankly I find it a bit irksome that people think no one can be stronger than Gohan without some God power up . People put way too much stock into Gohan.

10x stronger than someone is most definitely leaps and bounds by my book... That's a greater difference than SSJ and SSJ3 lol, if that's not leaps and bounds what is? Pretty much what DBZGT said, it just happened, and it's a joke + temporary, but Vegeta is in no way normally stronger than Goku right now (not counting SSG)

a 10x increase is rather small when taking into account 5 years of training and a possible mastering of SSJ.

[JeffJarrett]

But what's the origine for ウイス?

And the last figure has still not been revealed yet:

[dbzfan7]

From what I understood, the only thing that implies that Vegeta got stronger because of his rage is Goku's joke, which is... a joke.

Muten Roshi said Vegeta might have gotten stronger then Goku or something like that. Though I personally take it as base or SSJ2. Then again the script writter being a Vegeta fan theory explains the whole thing.

Well, a x10 difference is a huge difference, and Goku got at most 3 times stronger (without counting his SS forms) during 7 years of training in better conditions than his Earth training. So, I would say that it would be very hard to make a x10 power jump during the 10 years on Earth.

In the end though, it doesn't matter, because Goku is now the Super Saiyan God.

I agree with this statement entirely. I have Gohan at minimum 16x stronger then SSJ3 Goku when I do comparisons. I don't get why people think FPSSJ increases your base or makes the SSJ multiplier bigger, FPSSJ is the same as SSJ. The only difference is that strain has been greatly reduced so then ki can be utilized more effitiently.

I also take the Vegeta thing as probably a Toriyama (more likely the script writer) gag that is one time only.

[kei17]

But what's the origine for ウイス?

It's probably ウイルス (uirusu), another word for virus. You know, in classical Latin, "v" was pronounced in the same way as "w" in English.

[dbzfan7]

But what's the origine for ウイス?

It's probably ウイルス (uirusu), another word for virus. You know, in classical Latin, "v" was pronounced in the same way as "w" in English.

So do we call Bils, Birus now.