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[eledoremassis02]

Is FUNimations Kai the only one thats Blurry? I've seen TV rips that arnt blurry. Can't say for the Japanese releases.

Do you remember which episode it was ? Episodes 73-80 of Z were done on 35mm film. Toei (Pony Canyon?) probably digitalized them in bigger resolution (when Dragon Boxes were produced), and material sourced from those masters for Kai is much sharper. Other episodes were probably telecined to DVD Video resolution and now are upscaled for Kai.

But these are only my thoughts - maybe someone who knows more will say something about it (i'm curious myself)

Umm it was Goku going super Saiyan.

dbboxkaifan thank you. Seems people filter even Kai to 20k is lol

[Kojiro Sasaki]

As far as the original series go, you have to choose between grain or blur. So blur it shall be!

I'm choosing grain. You may like it or not, but grain is part of all shows recorded on 16mm film. In my opinion, it adds "epicness" to the show. In technical terms: Grain = detail (especially in animated series). Hand-made shows with grain looks bazillion times better for me than digital drawings. For example - characters in Kai are looking more like puppets. Pastel-like oversaturated too shiny in bright parts colors - everything looks like horrible plastic - it's absolutely unacceptable for me. If you're hating grain so much, you can filter it by yourself. In well transferred HD material you can do it without big detail loss. Look at this:

Dont say that plastic Kai looks better than old, good, hand-made cels with painted backgrounds and epic grain. Grain is the soul of photographic film!
This all technical advance has one primary goal: Lowering costs of production. Good promotion and you will be sure that worse is better
I want to see release closest to the original 16mm film prints - no updating to modern standards (which means destroying to me).

[Hades]

If I were in charge of Kai, I'd have reanimated the whole series from the ground up, and cut all filler away, like it was Cyprus's Banking sector.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Dragon Ball is the greatest international ambassador of Japan. Opinions on series itself are various, but one thing is certain: It promoted manga, anime and Japanese culture all over the world. In my country it actually "created" anime and manga market. Toei Animation earned heavy millions thanks to this series. It's their holy duty to treat it best as possible. 16 mm film and magnetic tapes which they used during production of the series have much more capabilities than DVD Video can handle. There is need to properly restore it - it's a matter of honour.

It all depends on us - if we will be more demanding, I think that it's possible. Now they are cheap because they know that they can - fans will accept everything.

[ABED]

They are cheap because a quality restoration of the quality you are looking for is expensive and not cost effective. DBZ is very popular but not that popular. If it was, Kai nor the DBZ blu rays would've been cancelled.

I don't think fans will accept anything. That's incredibly condescending.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

So what made FUNimation to do such kind of restoration ?

[ABED]

So what made FUNimation to do such kind of restoration ?

They thought there was a big enough market for it. People can be off the mark. As of right now, only things like Bond films are popular enough to warrant the capital expenditure neccessary to do a proper restoration.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I think that this series is treated as "cartoon for kids" - that's why all "restorations" to date were done improperly. If only more people would be aware of how this series may look, I think that market would be big enough. FUNimation attempt is proof for me. They remastered 34 episodes and set price - 18$ for 17 episodes. They were volunteering?

As i always say: We are sponsors here, and we have right to demand. I'm not even talking about "super remaster" - I simply want normal, close to original presentation release.

[dbboxkaifan]

As far as the original series go, you have to choose between grain or blur. So blur it shall be!

I'm choosing grain. You may like it or not, but grain is part of all shows recorded on 16mm film. In my opinion, it adds "epicness" to the show. In technical terms: Grain = detail (especially in animated series). Hand-made shows with grain looks bazillion times better for me than digital drawings. For example - characters in Kai are looking more like puppets. Pastel-like oversaturated too shiny in bright parts colors - everything looks like horrible plastic - it's absolutely unacceptable for me. If you're hating grain so much, you can filter it by yourself. In well transferred HD material you can do it without big detail loss. Look at this:

Dont say that plastic Kai looks better than old, good, hand-made cels with painted backgrounds and epic grain. Grain is the soul of photographic film!
This all technical advance has one primary goal: Lowering costs of production. Good promotion and you will be sure that worse is better
I want to see release closest to the original 16mm film prints - no updating to modern standards (which means destroying to me).

Chichi looks really good but she's missing a black line all the way through her teeth and around her nose, other than these two details it looks excellent.

I wish Kai's picture quality was like this instead of that trashy remaster. Still better than the Orange Bricks (well, anything's better for that matter).

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I'm almost sure that Chchi is drawn like this this (This drawing looks identical on 1080p raw frame)

[omegalucas]

I'm almost sure that Chchi is drawn like this this (This drawing looks identical on 1080p raw frame)

These are little imperfections on the animation that we can see now because of the resolution of the image.
Hand-drawn animation has quite a bit little things like these.

[b_boult]

Whenever this issue is discussed on here there is an ugly underbelly of group think. Why does this have to be a zero sum game? That is to say, why can't we reduce *some* of the grain, but not to the ridiculous (and manifestly destructive) extent that we saw with the bricks? I'd rather a less noisy picture for general viewing, and the attendant blurring of extremely minor details, than noise preserved at its original intensity and the continued ability to see those details - albeit with a magnifying glass. I am not being facetious when I say that either. I want most of the detail to be preserved, hence I have not called for a totally noise-free image. However, I am prepared to sacrifice *some* of that detail in order to make the casual / general viewing experience easier on the eye