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Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:03 pm

Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans - Tuffles were the original habitants before they invaded (Saiyans)
Episode of Bardock - Plants were actually the authentic residents of the planet before the Saiyans decided to take over

Er... which one is it?

It doesn't really matter much to me but this is a bit confusing, one say's it's Tuffles and the other's Plants.
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Post by FindKenshi » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:04 pm

I think the Plants and Tuffles are one in the same? They just look more cute in Episode of Bardock?
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by Kaboom » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:06 pm

I would find it very funny if the Plantians were the original inhabitants and the Saiyans ate them all. I wouldn't mind that becoming official.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by penguintruth » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:07 pm

Episode Bardock should be ignored, avoided, stricken from the record, all copies burned, and erased from our memories.
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Post by Avenged » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:10 pm

penguintruth wrote:Episode Bardock should be ignored, avoided, stricken from the record, all copies burned, and erased from our memories.
All you do is hate on that special. I'm sorry they made Bardock the legendary Super Saiyan instead of Broly.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by Big Green » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:14 pm

Well, it never really specified how far in time Bardock was sent from Frieza's blast. Maybe Plants were the original inhabitants, but eventually ended up as the Tuffles? I mean. Chilled didn't know what a Saiyan was, so apparently they didn't exist yet. So maybe Bardock was sent to the point in time where Plants haven't evolved yet, and the Saiyan's weren't there at all.
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Post by FindKenshi » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:15 pm

Avenged wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Episode Bardock should be ignored, avoided, stricken from the record, all copies burned, and erased from our memories.
All you do is hate on that special. I'm sorry they made Bardock the legendary Super Saiyan instead of Broly.
Correction, they made Bardock a Super Saiyan.. but not the one of which legends speak. The one from legend caused a huge massacre on dozens of planets, according to Herms Guides Guide. (the Time-line one and the one about Saiyans)

I think the Plantations (lol) are just the Tuffles, just ancient ones before they had fully evolved technology.. it makes sense though.. because those guys invented the healing cream later used by Saiyans and Freezas men.. later they'd invent scouters and space pods as well.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by penguintruth » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:22 pm

Avenged wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Episode Bardock should be ignored, avoided, stricken from the record, all copies burned, and erased from our memories.
All you do is hate on that special. I'm sorry they made Bardock the legendary Super Saiyan instead of Broly.
Huh? I also despise Broly.

Episode of Bardock doesn't make any sense whatsoever, is the problem. How did Freeza send him, and ONLY him, back in time with his attack? How can Bardock, who can't even defeat Dodoria, be even near obtaining the Super Saiyan form? Why would Bardock care about what happens to some worthless garbage aliens?

And it takes away from the mystery of the Super Saiyan. Just let it be a mystery! Who cares how it started? Why does a time-travelling Bardock have to become the legendary Super Saiyan? What happens to him afterwards? WHY CAN'T HE JUST DIE?

It just raises too many questions.

Broly is a sh** idea for a whole other list of reasons.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:37 pm

penguintruth wrote:How did Freeza send him, and ONLY him, back in time with his attack?
Luck & fate.
penguintruth wrote:How can Bardock, who can't even defeat Dodoria, be even near obtaining the Super Saiyan form?
Reaching near-death does miracles.
penguintruth wrote:Why would Bardock care about what happens to some worthless garbage aliens?
Perhaps he is not pure evil?
penguintruth wrote:And it takes away from the mystery of the Super Saiyan. Just let it be a mystery! Who cares how it started? Why does a time-travelling Bardock have to become the legendary Super Saiyan? What happens to him afterwards? WHY CAN'T HE JUST DIE?
Bardock died after Freeza destroyed the planet. He was dead for centuries, actually.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by Bussani » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:38 pm

penguintruth wrote:How did Freeza send him, and ONLY him, back in time with his attack?
The shockwave created a subspace fracture. Happens every other day in Star Trek.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:05 pm

Tuffles are only shown in the anime, the chances are that they most likely don't even exist in the manga. The Bardock episode could exist in the same continuity as the manga which explain why the Plants are on the Planet instead.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by penguintruth » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
penguintruth wrote:How did Freeza send him, and ONLY him, back in time with his attack?
Luck & fate.
penguintruth wrote:How can Bardock, who can't even defeat Dodoria, be even near obtaining the Super Saiyan form?
Reaching near-death does miracles.
Granted, all of your answers are nonsense, but I took the most umbrage with this one.

I'm sorry, but Vegeta, who killed Dodoria, Zarbon, and Jeice, and got a massive power up when Kuririn hurt him and Dende healed up, was still unable to become a Super Saiyan for a long time.

Bardock, who can't even defeat Dodoria, I don't give a F*** what kind of miracle is working, is NOT GOING TO BECOME A SUPER SAIYAN. The whole point of Bardock is that try as he might, he's a nothing, a nobody, just a low-class grunt who Freeza kills as if he were an insect. HE CAN NOT BE A SUPER SAIYAN.

Not every f***ing named Saiyan should be able to reach that level. What's next? Super Saiyan Raditz? Super Saiyan Tarble? This endless wanking is tiring. Why not tell us that ALL the Saiyans were really Super Saiyans, while you're at it? Maybe Telluce can get in on this, too. IT'S ENOUGH.

I don't need to be spoonfed the answers to all the mysteries in the DB world. I don't need to know about Goku's mother, don't need to know what race Freeza is a member of, don't need to know when Yamucha first got herpes, and I don't need to know who the "legendary" Super Saiyan is.
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Re: Who are the actual original habitants of Planet Vegeta?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:24 pm

The Daizenshuu state that to become Super Saiyan, one must break the Saiyan limits. Goku broke the Saiyan limits when his battle power was 90.000, and Bardock was almost at 10.000. During the TV Special, he got horribly beaten by Dodoria, and then he took a planetary explosion in his face. If he got a x10 near-death power-up, he should be able to become a Super Saiyan.

The only reason he shouldn't be able to transform into a Super Saiyan is because he is not pure.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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