BoG Strength Run-Down

[dbzfan7]

Oh, my mistake. Sorry about that.

No problem.They happen.

[Zephyr]

It would undermine all the years of training and improvement Goku has gone through since beating Freeza. Yeah, no.

The only significant fruits of all of that post-Freeza training and improvement that were shown were the attainment and mastery of new transformations. He never really uses his base form again, even to fight even lower minions. I mean, yeah there's Uub at the end, but he was still a boy who didn't know how to use his power.

What I'm getting at is that I don't see why it's necessary for Goku's base form to have ever surpassed 120,000,000.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It would undermine all the years of training and improvement Goku has gone through since beating Freeza. Yeah, no.

When was Goku shown to have gotten 50 times stronger without transformations after Freeza? That was only in GT.

[dbzfan7]

The scene where Vegeta casts aside his pride for everyone’s sake was shocking. To think he’d go that far. (laughs)

I thought people might even get angry at me, but in the video, it was even sillier than I’d imagined. (laughs) But in the story Toriyama-sensei made, Vegeta was supposed to waver, and there’s even a moment where Vegeta briefly surpasses Goku because he’s got something to protect in Bulma, so that silly scene was also necessary as a lead-in to make it stand out.

Sounds like the scene is a gag scene after all and its only temporary. Same could be applied to basically every character.

[mistershin]

It would undermine all the years of training and improvement Goku has gone through since beating Freeza. Yeah, no.

When was Goku shown to have gotten 50 times stronger without transformations after Freeza? That was only in GT.

Goku vs Uub ?
Uub has rage boost, which makes him unconsciously tap into Pure Buu's power. (Similar to Gohan's Rage boosts)
Thus Goku, takes him away so that he can control this power and make it grow even higher.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

So Toriyama had wrote Vegeta to be more powerful than Goku for a short period of time. I wonder if he's behind Beers saying that Vegeta, and Goku will be formidable in the future.

[Son_Gohan]

Excellent work, as always.

This helps clarify and reinforce a few ambiguous ideas for me in the manga. Now that the concept of beings with higher status holding special properties in their ki has become more officially clear, it throws light on the whole Kaioshin-Kibito situation; why they weren't able to truly grasp their ki at the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai, and Dabura distinctly stating how they couldn't use the pair's energy for the revival of Buu.

Also, the statement of Goku's base power being inferior to Freeza's ties in to Kaioshin's comment on how his kin could defeat someone of Freeza's level in a single blow and Goku's reaction displaying that of amazement, despite it being a seemingly simple feat for him as a Super Saiyan. It really puts things into perspective concerning their power, since most fans I see will just take for granted there being any real limits and always assume they only keep growing stronger.

[Zephyr]

It would undermine all the years of training and improvement Goku has gone through since beating Freeza. Yeah, no.

When was Goku shown to have gotten 50 times stronger without transformations after Freeza? That was only in GT.

Goku vs Uub ?
Uub has rage boost, which makes him unconsciously tap into Pure Buu's power. (Similar to Gohan's Rage boosts)
Thus Goku, takes him away so that he can control this power and make it grow even higher.

Yes he taps into Buu's power, but how much of it he could/did tap into right then is unspecified, and is nothing more than speculation.

[dbzfan7]

So Toriyama had wrote Vegeta to be more powerful than Goku for a short period of time. I wonder if he's behind Beers saying that Vegeta, and Goku will be formidable in the future.

That line makes no sense. Vegeta can't be formidable unless he becomes SSJ God. And knowing Toriyama. I blame the script writer nonsensical for that line.

[Tyro]

It would undermine all the years of training and improvement Goku has gone through since beating Freeza. Yeah, no.

When was Goku shown to have gotten 50 times stronger without transformations after Freeza? That was only in GT.

Goku vs Uub ?
Uub has rage boost, which makes him unconsciously tap into Pure Buu's power. (Similar to Gohan's Rage boosts)
Thus Goku, takes him away so that he can control this power and make it grow even higher.

How does Oob being able to tap into Boo's power imply that he even surpassed Freeza in the first place? Oob obviously didn't tap into all of his potential power and his only canonical fight was with Goku whose base power we don't know, nor do we know what degree of effort/power he (Goku) was using. I don't see how this implies above Freeza's level at all, there just isn't enough information to draw a conclusion from.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

If SSJG is a pure blood only transformation then Beers line will make sense. If not, then I dunno. I'm not fussed though, I get to see Vegeta do something.

Re: Goku vs Oob

Well in this movie Goku absorbs the "other realm", so him being above Freeza then isn't unbelievable at all, hell, he seems to be more powerful than his SSJ3 self so he should be able to take on Boo too.

[dbzfan7]

If SSJG is a pure blood only transformation then Beers line will make sense. If not, then I dunno. I'm not fussed though, I get to see Vegeta do something.

If its confirmed SSJG is pure blood only then yeah it does make sense. Though how does a pure blood form allow half saiyan power.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

If SSJG is a pure blood only transformation then Beers line will make sense. If not, then I dunno. I'm not fussed though, I get to see Vegeta do something.

If its confirmed SSJG is pure blood only then yeah it does make sense. Though how does a pure blood form allow half saiyan power.

I know, I've thought about that, and I can't come to a conclusion.

[VyeRo]

The scene where Vegeta casts aside his pride for everyone’s sake was shocking. To think he’d go that far. (laughs)

I thought people might even get angry at me, but in the video, it was even sillier than I’d imagined. (laughs) But in the story Toriyama-sensei made, Vegeta was supposed to waver, and there’s even a moment where Vegeta briefly surpasses Goku because he’s got something to protect in Bulma, so that silly scene was also necessary as a lead-in to make it stand out.

Sounds like the scene is a gag scene after all and its only temporary. Same could be applied to basically every character.

I'm pretty sure that silly scene is the Vegeta dance sequence and him trying to stay on the good side of Beers. He's talking about that silly scene making his power up stand out more.

[dbzfan7]

If SSJG is a pure blood only transformation then Beers line will make sense. If not, then I dunno. I'm not fussed though, I get to see Vegeta do something.

If its confirmed SSJG is pure blood only then yeah it does make sense. Though how does a pure blood form allow half saiyan power.

I know, I've thought about that, and I can't come to a conclusion.

Same applies to SSJ4. The Saiyan ki would have human ki as well so it wouldn't work.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what gets confirmed, or doesn't.

[dbzfan7]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what gets confirmed, or doesn't.

Hopefully the Choezenshuu will answer the question.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku vs Uub ?
Uub has rage boost, which makes him unconsciously tap into Pure Buu's power. (Similar to Gohan's Rage boosts)
Thus Goku, takes him away so that he can control this power and make it grow even higher.

We just learned that Goku was a God at that point.

[The Monkey King]

Isn't Buu saga base Goku stronger than Buu saga Piccollo who would one-shot Frieza?

Then again this wouldn't be the first time Goku's base form power has been underestimated like in the saiyan saga when Vegeta and Nappa though his PL was only 5000, in the Namek saga when the Ginyu force thought his PL was only 5000, in Yo! Son Goku and Friends return when Tarble thought he would be too weak to beat Avo and Cado when bast Trunks and Goten could do it easily.

[dbzfan7]

Isn't Buu saga base Goku stronger than Buu saga Piccollo who would one-shot Freeza?

Then again this wouldn't be the first time Goku's base form power has been underestimated like in the saiyan saga when Vegeta and Nappa though his PL was only 1000, in the Namek saga when the Ginyu force thought his PL was only 5000, in Yo! Son Goku and Friends return when Tarble thought he would be too weak to beat Avo and Cado when bast Trunks and Goten could do it easily.

I think you mean 5000. Also most of these times were because they relied on scouters.