BoG Strength Run-Down

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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:33 pm

The Monkey King wrote:Isn't Buu saga base Goku stronger than Buu saga Piccollo who would one-shot Freeza?
No.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by The Monkey King » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:39 pm

Then why wasn't Piccollo chosen to face Babidi and is men when Babidi wanted the 3 strongest fighters.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:41 pm

The Monkey King wrote:Then why wasn't Piccollo chosen to face Babidi and is men when Babidi wanted the 3 strongest fighters.
Because the 3 strongest fighters were SS2 Goku, SS2 Vegeta, and SS2 Gohan. Babidi & Dabra should have used another way to sense their energy, since the whole gang had minimized their ki to zero to get unnoticed, so they can somehow sense their hidden power.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:32 pm

Why did Goku get to become SSJG? He doesn't even like getting powered up like this and Vegeta was more then willing to. Gohan was too drunk to. And don't ever give the kids that kind of power. Though maybe we could have had a SSJG Fetus.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by Kaboom » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:39 pm

Y'know, that would have been funny if all the power went to Pan. Videl would get it too by proxy, and the combined full force of the daughter and granddaughter of Earth's mightiest champion would save the day in glorious battle against a god.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by Bando » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:46 pm

The Monkey King wrote:Isn't Buu saga base Goku stronger than Buu saga Piccollo who would one-shot Freeza?

Then again this wouldn't be the first time Goku's base form power has been underestimated like in the saiyan saga when Vegeta and Nappa though his PL was only 5000, in the Namek saga when the Ginyu force thought his PL was only 5000, in Yo! Son Goku and Friends return when Tarble thought he would be too weak to beat Avo and Cado when bast Trunks and Goten could do it easily.
Boo Saga base Goku's power is around Yakon's level who is probably stronger than East Kaioshin.

He's also probably stronger than Piccolo given all the hints, too.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by Saiga » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:07 pm

SSG Videl should have totally happened.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by DannyDBZfanforever » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:37 pm

If this theory is , and if Goku in base form has a low battle power battle than Frieza in his final form. Following the multipliers that appear in the book SEG, the results would be: Goku base form (less than 120 million), Super Saiyan (less than 6 billion), Super Saiyan 2 (below 12 billion), Super Saiyan 3 (less than 48 billion). Whereas many places the Cell between 8-9 billion, as Goku SSJ 3 with a power battle near 48 billion is a realistic value in the structure of the plot. I wonder what the official multiplier for Kami mode :think: .
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Saiga wrote:SSG Videl should have totally happened.
Somebody draw this NOW. Though not Videl, Fetus Pan is SSJG in an alternate scene.
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Post by Draken » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:12 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
Saiga wrote:SSG Videl should have totally happened.
Somebody draw this NOW. Though not Videl, Fetus Pan is SSJG in an alternate scene.
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Post by Saitou Hajime » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:50 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Why did Goku get to become SSJG? He doesn't even like getting powered up like this and Vegeta was more then willing to.
Goku told Beers that he could become the SSJG as a last ditch attempt to stave him off, and the idea stuck.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:58 am

Saitou Hajime wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Why did Goku get to become SSJG? He doesn't even like getting powered up like this and Vegeta was more then willing to.
Goku told Beers that he could become the SSJG as a last ditch attempt to stave him off, and the idea stuck.
Well Goku didn't want to become a god and I'm sure it was stated he only did because Vegeta tossed his pride aside. Vegeta wanted to become God and didn't care if he needed everyones ki. Vegeta even says why don't I get to become SSJG. I'm not even a Vegeta fan, but Goku kinda pulled a dick move.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:11 am

dbzfan7 wrote:I'm not even a Vegeta fan, but Goku kinda pulled a dick move.
Kinda need to blame Bluma too. Vegeta tried to put himself in the god seat, but she told him to knock it off. lol
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:39 am

Vegeta should have definetly been SSJG, but it's a given that it was going to be Goku. Oh well, maybe next time. :P
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by The Monkey King » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:00 pm

Since this movie hints that base Goku is weaker than Frieza and that Goku SSJ3 is stronger or an the same level as Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, wouldn't this make base Gotenks weaker than Frieza? This doesn't make sense as Piccolo thought that base Gotenks stood a chance against Super Buu:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:07 pm

But Gotenks does nothing at all to Boo, it was just a gag scene. Also just after, Piccolo says something like, maybe he doesn't have a chance, or something to that effect. :)
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Post by Vice » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm

Vegeta will always be second to Goku. That's just natural, he's the main character.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:46 pm

The Monkey King wrote:Since this movie hints that base Goku is weaker than Freeza and that Goku SSJ3 is stronger or an the same level as Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, wouldn't this make base Gotenks weaker than Freeza? This doesn't make sense as Piccolo thought that base Gotenks stood a chance against Super Buu:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”
Well, base Gotenks standing a chance against Boo was just a gag. But Goku isn't necessarily at the same level as Gohan & Gotenks. He can easily be weaker than them.
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Re: BoG Strength Run-Down

Post by Vice » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:06 pm

Super Saiyan 3 Goku isn't even close to being on the same level as Gotenks or Gohan. People at Super Buu's level and above are able to tear holes into dimensions with their power.
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Post by B » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:11 pm

I thought Goku was holding back when fought as an SSJ3 against Fat Buu. So, that fight couldn't be measured as which SSJ3, Gotenks or Goku, was stronger. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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