Boohan. Goku was only stronger then Fat or Pure Boo in base.RandomGuy96 wrote:Base GT Goku vs Buuhan.
Then again doesn't the anime say somewhere Kid Boo is the strongest, if so then Goku.
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Then again doesn't the anime say somewhere Kid Boo is the strongest, if so then Goku.
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It does, and so I go with GT Goku as well.
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Can I see that line.Saiga wrote:It does, and so I go with GT Goku as well.
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Nope, because I don't have anything to reference it with. I don't own the subbed version of the anime so the best I could give you is Funi. I do know that the Narrator, Kaioshin, and Goku all say it though. Others may be able to help you.dbzfan7 wrote:Can I see that line.Saiga wrote:It does, and so I go with GT Goku as well.
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I guess I'll wait for someone with clarification. If were lucky the Kai version will write out that crap.Saiga wrote:Nope, because I don't have anything to reference it with. I don't own the subbed version of the anime so the best I could give you is Funi. I do know that the Narrator, Kaioshin, and Goku all say it though. Others may be able to help you.dbzfan7 wrote:Can I see that line.Saiga wrote:It does, and so I go with GT Goku as well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEPmTOpL1mEdbzfan7 wrote:I guess I'll wait for someone with clarification. If were lucky the Kai version will write out that crap.
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Well either the sub is screwed up, or toei screwed up on that one.TheMightyOzaru wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEPmTOpL1mEdbzfan7 wrote:I guess I'll wait for someone with clarification. If were lucky the Kai version will write out that crap.
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Bojack vs Dabura.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Normal Bojack would have a hard fight on his hands and possibly lose due to Dabra's magic, but transformed Bojack could power through and overcome it.
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I think Dabura, for a few reasons.
1. Apparently, the guidebooks state that Gohan was a SS2 against Dabura. And Dabura was winning against him and later referred to Gohan as "trash". Contrast Bojack who was basically one-shotted. So Bojack himself likely would get one-shotted as well.
2. Dabura has several magic tricks.
3. Bojack's kind of an idiot, and has no information on Dabura. He'll have no idea that Dabura's spit is a one hit kill, or that Dabura's sword can actually kill him. He'll likely try to tank those things and get killed. Plus, he's really big and doesn't wear a shirt, so he's an easy target for the spit.
1. Apparently, the guidebooks state that Gohan was a SS2 against Dabura. And Dabura was winning against him and later referred to Gohan as "trash". Contrast Bojack who was basically one-shotted. So Bojack himself likely would get one-shotted as well.
2. Dabura has several magic tricks.
3. Bojack's kind of an idiot, and has no information on Dabura. He'll have no idea that Dabura's spit is a one hit kill, or that Dabura's sword can actually kill him. He'll likely try to tank those things and get killed. Plus, he's really big and doesn't wear a shirt, so he's an easy target for the spit.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Bojack stomps. Assuming Dabura doesn't spit on him of courseRandomGuy96 wrote:Bojack vs Dabura.
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No, the guidebooks have stated plenty of times that Fusion makes the users dozens of times stronger.TheMightyOzaru wrote:It's like addition, not specifically addition.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That is if you take "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto" as an actual BP multiplication, which there is no reason for me to believe this. If that's the case, then Gotenks is Goten + Trunks.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Though Potara is stated to be close to multiplication and SSJ Vegetto is stated to be perhaps stronger then SSJ4 as stated in an anime comic that the people here have told me is legit.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, the guidebooks have stated plenty of times that Fusion makes the users dozens of times stronger.TheMightyOzaru wrote:It's like addition, not specifically addition.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That is if you take "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto" as an actual BP multiplication, which there is no reason for me to believe this. If that's the case, then Gotenks is Goten + Trunks.
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I can't take Vegetto being Goku X Vegeta literally, but saying its closer to multiplication rather than addition is true IMO. I just can't see SSJG Goku being Goku's power X something higher than Vegetas power. It's not impossible, but really, really unlikely.
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The SEG says Vegetto is closer to multiplication as opposed to addition. The GT perfect files states that Ssj4 Gogeta is many tens of times stronger than Ssj4 Goku or Vegeta. I take this as standard fusion is A + B x many tens.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, the guidebooks have stated plenty of times that Fusion makes the users dozens of times stronger.TheMightyOzaru wrote:It's like addition, not specifically addition.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That is if you take "Goku X Vegeta = Vegetto" as an actual BP multiplication, which there is no reason for me to believe this. If that's the case, then Gotenks is Goten + Trunks.
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Exactly. It wasn't stated, however, that Goku's battle power times Vegeta's battle power makes Vegetto's battle power (if that was the case, Vegetto wouldn't have turned into a Super Saiyan), it said that Goku cross Vegeta makes Vegetto.TheMightyOzaru wrote:The SEG says Vegetto is closer to multiplication as opposed to addition.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Except that Vegetto only realized his power after turning SS and owning Boo.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Exactly. It wasn't stated, however, that Goku's battle power times Vegeta's battle power makes Vegetto's battle power (if that was the case, Vegetto wouldn't have turned into a Super Saiyan), it said that Goku cross Vegeta makes Vegetto.TheMightyOzaru wrote:The SEG says Vegetto is closer to multiplication as opposed to addition.
And I believe that this "closer to multiplication" thing is about Potara fusion in general, not specifically Vegetto.
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I would more like to believe Vegetto would need SSJ3 for thatKaboom wrote:Beers being the "strongest in the history of Z" just means that Vegetto would need Super Saiyan 2 to take him on.
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And you get this from...?hleV wrote:Except that Vegetto only realized his power after turning SS and owning Boo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.