Buugetto

[Kaboom]

This whole mess with conflicting sets of evidence even in the manga has been a headache for a long time. Whichever side you opt for, you're going to have to flat-up ignore or weasel your way around something to force it to make any sense.

For just one example, if Goku really is overall stronger than Gotenks or Gohan, then what about Gotenks supposedly being strong enough to take on Fat Boo at just Super Saiyan 1, whom Goku and Vegeta were inferior to at Super Saiyan 2? That would require Gotenks being at least about twice as strong than either of them, right?

So was Goku's prediction of Gotenks' power wrong? That's feasible, but a stretch. Was Goku holding back even in SSj2 all this time? That's unlikely. Does Gotenks not get as much of a boost from SSj2 and SSj3 as others somehow? That's got nothing going for it.

It's all a mess, really, and not even the guidebooks want to give a definitive answer, so it isn't anybody's place to try to firmly say what's right or wrong about it. It's the sort of thing where you just have to decide what you're most comfortable with and roll with it. I've personally settled on a bit of a compromise -- Where Goku is weaker than Gotenks, Gohan, and Evil Boo, but not so far behind them that he's irrelevant or can't catch up in a year or two by the time of the post-Boo movies.

[dbzfan7]

Boogetto could possibly be the strongest character ever if he existed.

[Draken]

I never said it makes sense, but nothing Toei shits out does in the first place. I'm just going with what is, and what is is that Pure Boo is the strongest in the anime.

No, he is not. We've argued about this again a month or two ago, and you know that there are numerous statements in the anime that disagree with that logic, yet you disregard all of them just to bash Toei's love for Goku, and statement wasn't even directly related to Goku, since Goku saying that he could beat Boo in full power was much later.

No, it's not because of that. And I already pointed out that a lot of those statements you posted weren't really relevant. The Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo quotes are far clearer than anything else they give us, and the contradictory material is all adaptation of Toriyama's material. So, that makes it obvious to me that Toei intend for Pure Boo to be the strongest.

@Beji Knock it off with the condescending attitude if you really want to discuss things rather than just butt heads.

So why didn't Goku go SSJ3 and roflstomp Buuhan again? Why would a fusion of 2 of the strongest z fighters be weaker than one of the two again? Please think this through clearly and then answer. Unless you are honestly saying A x B < A, where A and B are greater than 1.

[Saiga]

So why didn't Goku go SSJ3 and roflstomp Buuhan again? Why would a fusion of 2 of the strongest z fighters be weaker than one of the two again? Please think this through clearly and then answer. Unless you are honestly saying A x B < A, where A and B are greater than 1.

Because Toei were still sticking to the events of the manga, so they wouldn't just have Goku defeat Boohan. And Goku could conceivably be stronger than Vegetto because he's using a higher transformation, without being stronger at the same level. It's [A x 400] > [A x B x 50]. Obviously Vegetto is stronger in the manga though.

[RandomGuy96]

Goku was getting wailed on by Buuhan and Buutenks and fighting evenly with Kid Buu. Even in the anime, Kid Buu was only suppose to be the strongest "base" Buu. Buuhan also calls himself "the mightiest Majin".

[Saiga]

Goku was getting wailed on by Buuhan and Buutenks and fighting evenly with Kid Buu. Even in the anime, Kid Buu was only suppose to be the strongest "base" Buu. Buuhan also calls himself "the mightiest Majin".

Nowhere is it said he's the strongest "base" Boo. He's simply the strongest Boo, nothing more specific than that.

[Draken]

So why didn't Goku go SSJ3 and roflstomp Buuhan again? Why would a fusion of 2 of the strongest z fighters be weaker than one of the two again? Please think this through clearly and then answer. Unless you are honestly saying A x B < A, where A and B are greater than 1.

Because Toei were still sticking to the events of the manga, so they wouldn't just have Goku defeat Boohan. And Goku could conceivably be stronger than Vegetto because he's using a higher transformation, without being stronger at the same level. It's [A x 400] > [A x B x 50]. Obviously Vegetto is stronger in the manga though.

So Buuhan is weaker than Kid Buu due to a plothole huh? Interesting theory there

Using Frieza saga power levels, assume Goku is 3 million and Vegeta 2 million. As shown in Majin Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku, their strengths are roughly equal, with Majin Vegeta arguably stronger, so regular SSJ2 Vegeta should be just about on par with Goku, probably a bit weaker, so this is even being generous. Unless, like Kaboom said, you reach pretty deep and say that Goku was insanely holding back against Vegeta.

3mill x 400 = 1.2 billion

3mill x 2 mill = 6 trillion. Multiply that by 50 for SSJ Vegetto... you get the point right? SSJ3 Goku > SSJ Vegetto, or even base Vegetto, doesn't work.

[Saiga]

I wasn't using A x B literally, since I don't believe that "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto" stuff is literal even for the manga.

[Draken]

I wasn't using A x B literally, since I don't believe that "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto" stuff is literal even for the manga.

If you don't like the SEG multiplication, then fine let's go with the "tens of times" stronger than the fusee's combined.

3 mill + 2 mill = 5 mill. Generous with the "tens", I'll use 20.

5 mill x 20 = 100 million, use SSJ is 5 billion. SSJ Vegetto is still >>>> SSJ3 Goku.

Or hell don't even combine them, just use the strongest power.

3 mill x 20 = 60 million. 60 million x 50 = 3 billion. Still >>> SSJ3 Goku.

[Saiga]

By all means Vegetto should be stronger than SS3 Goku, and he is in the manga (by far). But if Toei wants to make Goku the strongest, then they're going to.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I'll never understand why Toei made Goku fight Bootenks as a SSJ3 and get owned, they really didn't need to add that filler if they wanted Goku to be the strongest.

[Saiga]

I'll never understand why Toei made Goku fight Bootenks as a SSJ3 and get owned, they really didn't need to add that filler if they wanted Goku to be the strongest.

I doubt they had any long-term plan like that, though. And making Pure Boo/Goku the strongest could have simply been misinterpretation than deliberate.

[Draken]

By all means Vegetto should be stronger than SS3 Goku, and he is in the manga (by far). But if Toei wants to make Goku the strongest, then they're going to.

So in essence, you're arguing for the sake of arguing and derping around with one of Toei's many inconsistencies?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If you don't like the SEG multiplication

It's most likely not multiplication.

[Draken]

If you don't like the SEG multiplication

It's most likely not multiplication.

Yea, so I changed it to the "tens of times" stronger statement.

[Saiga]

By all means Vegetto should be stronger than SS3 Goku, and he is in the manga (by far). But if Toei wants to make Goku the strongest, then they're going to.

So in essence, you're arguing for the sake of arguing and derping around with one of Toei's many inconsistencies?

No? I'm just saying that as far as the anime is concerned, Goku is the strongest.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I'll never understand why Toei made Goku fight Bootenks as a SSJ3 and get owned, they really didn't need to add that filler if they wanted Goku to be the strongest.

I doubt they had any long-term plan like that, though. And making Pure Boo/Goku the strongest could have simply been misinterpretation than deliberate.

Well to me Anime Goku isn't as strong as Bootenks, if something is a clear contradiction I struggle to accept it. So Pure Boo isn't as strong as Bootenks in the anime IMO.

[Saiga]

I'll never understand why Toei made Goku fight Bootenks as a SSJ3 and get owned, they really didn't need to add that filler if they wanted Goku to be the strongest.

I doubt they had any long-term plan like that, though. And making Pure Boo/Goku the strongest could have simply been misinterpretation than deliberate.

Well to me Anime Goku isn't as strong as Bootenks, if something is a clear contradiction I struggle to accept it. So Pure Boo isn't as strong as Bootenks in the anime IMO.

But Bootenks being stronger than Pure Boo is just as much a contradiction, if not even more of one, because Pure Boo is stated to be the strongest.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I doubt they had any long-term plan like that, though. And making Pure Boo/Goku the strongest could have simply been misinterpretation than deliberate.

Well to me Anime Goku isn't as strong as Bootenks, if something is a clear contradiction I struggle to accept it. So Pure Boo isn't as strong as Bootenks in the anime IMO.

But Bootenks being stronger than Pure Boo is just as much a contradiction, if not even more of one, because Pure Boo is stated to be the strongest.

To me it isn't, I watched Bootenks kick Goku's ass easily, then heard Pure Boo is the strongest, yet he was roughly equal to Goku. Oh, and that's without bringing in Goku doing okay against against Pure Boo as a SSJ2. Filler is superb at clearing things up.
To be honest I follow what I see rather than hear.

[Zephyr]

But Bootenks being stronger than Pure Boo is just as much a contradiction, if not even more of one, because Pure Boo is stated to be the strongest.

Not necessarily. If the implication is that Bootenks and Buuhan are stronger (which it seems to be, because they were desperate as fuck to fuse against them, yet scoffed at the idea against Kid Buu), then what the anime wants to state is indeed a contradiction, and/or a plot hole.

As an extreme example, if the anime narrator stated that Yamcha was the strongest fighter in the universe, the fact that the narrator said it wouldn't make it any less nonsensical and instantly dismissable.