Your inside "fanon" things

[Saiga]

No, it states that there are two events that create a plot-hole. And it still goes against what you believe.

That's just twisting the words. And no, it does not go against what I believe.

I've been using your own source.

But unlike the others, the journal doesn't state that it must affect the plot like you believe. It also states that the plot hole is based on common usage, which cannot be objectively defined.

So now you are twisting things to be able to be "kinda right" instead of flat-out wrong. Why can't you simply admit that you were wrong?

I'm not twisting things at all. I'm saying that if I were straight up, completely wrong about it being a plothole, then it that wouldn't affect anything else. And it's simply not a matter of objectively right or wrong.

It's barely inconsistent. It can be easily explained like I told you, plot-holes cannot be explained, your own source says that.

The journal says nothing about fans coming up with their own explanations. As I already pointed out, if a fan coming up with an explanation would render something not a plothole, then it would be impossible for plotholes to exist, because you can make up whatever explanation you want.

Gohan is able to transform into Super Saiyan in GT, in Battle of the Gods he is shown to be able to transform despite the fact that he can also tap into the 'Ultimate' state. Now the reason for why did he choose to transform into Super Saiyan in GT is unexplained, this does not create any conflict, inconsistency of plot-hole, at best it shows a poor choice, but like I've shown you, there can be many explanations for why did he transform into Super Saiyan.

But none of those explanations are provided by the story, which is necessary to avoid a plothole.

Like I've said before, no matter how much you try to twist words and citations, Gohan transforming into Super Saiyan in GT is not a plot-hole.

I'm not trying to twist anything here. It is an inconsistency in the plot. A hole in the story. A plot hole.

[DNA]

*facepalm* It is simply impossible to reason with you. I give up.

Like I said, it's your own personal "fanon" that this event was a plot-hole and no amount or reasoning can change your view, even showing how and why you are simply wrong. Whatever buddy, believe what you want, this topic has been derailed for far too long already.

[Saiga]

*facepalm* It is simply impossible to reason with you. I give up.

Like I said, it's your own personal "fanon" that this event was a plot-hole and no amount or reasoning can change your view, even showing how and why you are simply wrong. Whatever buddy, believe what you want, this topic has been derailed for far too long already.

And the same can't be said for you? You haven't done anything but insist that you're right and I'm wrong, so what makes you any different?

[DNA]

And the same can't be said for you? You haven't done anything but insist that you're right and I'm wrong, so what makes you any different?

Because you're the sole person saying that I'm wrong. Everyone else, including all sources and citations disagree with you. I'm done here.

[Saiga]

How does that make any difference? More people doesn't make one view more valid (and it's only us two now anyway), and the only source with citations is one we're both using.

The only difference I can see that makes you any more valid is that you're just convinced that you're in the right.

[mister yummy]

i'VE GOTTA AGREE. CONCENSUS DOES NOT EQUAL BEING RIGHT. aT ONE POINT IN HISTORY, MOST PEOPLE THOUGHT THE PLANET WAS FLAT. tHAT DIDN'T MAKE THEM RIGHT.

[soduh2]

The debate here is not what a plot hole is, but what a plot hole isn't. The formal source has no hard definition of what a plot hole does not include, the three informal sources do.

I'd say you guys are at an impass.

[Insertclevername]

The Son family own a Super Famicom.

The Bulma family own a Sega Megadrive (Genesis).

[MCDaveG]

Gohan's Ultimate form is like SSJ3 build on his SSJ transformations. He can turn to SSJ, SSJ2 or from scratch to Ultimate.
Like in Budokai games.

[Jack Bz]

The power Goku has in his ssj3 form during the Buu arc is the maximum power any being can obtain without some sort of magical intervention, such as fusion or old kaioshin's ability to take people way above that limit. All other beings in the manga that surpass Goku (super buu, Gotenks, Gohan etc) are either a result of some sort of fusion, or an ability specifically designed to break this limit. This is why Kid Buu and Goku's strength are pretty much exactly the same; this is as strong as you can really get.

However, characters like Gohan have a greater potential than Goku technically, but it is just not possible to tap into that kind of power through training. The fact that Goku managed to get as strong as he did is a testament to his martial arts genius, but also the condition of training in the other world with a dead body.

I think the only manga thing that possibly contradicts this is south kaioshin, if he was powerful enough to make Buff Buu > Super Buu, then he must be pretty strong. But oh well, fanon.

[penguintruth]

Bulma's mother is a trophy wife for Dr. Brief, and possibly not even Bulma's biological mother. Dr. Brief got her because he gained massive wealth and fame from his capsule technology. Bulma's real mother may have divorced him, had another child named Marron, and...

Hm, no, that's a little too far.

[DNA]

I think the only manga thing that possibly contradicts this is south kaioshin, if he was powerful enough to make Buff Buu > Super Buu, then he must be pretty strong. But oh well, fanon.

Apparently gods have a different kind of power other than Ki. Call it 'God Power' if you want but yeah. This makes it possibly to fit into your theory. Also the new 'villain' in Battle of Gods easily defeats Goku in Super Saiyan 3, but again, he's a god, so he taps into god power.

Also, I don't remember if I said this before but I believe Gyumao to have some demon blood in him, that would explain his title, size and strength. Then it explains Chichi's abnormal strength and temper, along with the red aura she has when powering up. Also explains Gohan's amazing potential.
The fact that Goten does not have the same potential is not a valid argument since siblings are always going to be different. Goten simply got the short end of the stick. Shit, look at Trunks and Bra, or better yet, look at Raditz and Goku or even Tarble and Vegeta.

[Saiga]

But Goten and Trunks DO have amazing potential. Y'know, Super Saiyans at age 7 and all that.

[DNA]

But Goten and Trunks DO have amazing potential. Y'know, Super Saiyans at age 7 and all that.

That's a feat, it does not demonstrate potential, which is shown by the fact that they do not do anything relevant ever again.

[Saimaroimaru]

The Z Sword was spelled to not come unloose or budge at all in the rock its was stuck in when pull by Kaioshins and the like. Basically a species lock.

[Saiga]

But Goten and Trunks DO have amazing potential. Y'know, Super Saiyans at age 7 and all that.

That's a feat, it does not demonstrate potential, which is shown by the fact that they do not do anything relevant ever again.

Yes, it does. Their feats are a sign of their potential, whether they're relevant or not has little to nothing to do with potential. Gohan has a shitload of potential and yet he ends up becoming irrelevant because Toriyama chose to make it that way.

[DNA]

Yeah, whatever you can find to disagree with me buddy, moving on.

[DNA]

I believe at least Mars exists and is inhabited by 'octopoid' creatures as seem in Ackman. I believe one of them cameos in a panel on the late portions of the manga in the After Life. 'Mars People' are also 'octopoid' creatures in Metal Slug so I believe it might be a staple in Japanese culture. It's probably influenced by War of the Worlds.


Also, one version of Trunks from an alternate timeline accidentally travelled way into the past and got stranded there. He married Ran Fan and gained weight:

[chaosakita]

Also, one version of Trunks from an alternate timeline accidentally travelled way into the past and got stranded there. He married Ran Fan and gained weight:

Haha, that is so hilarious. I wonder how Toriyama missed out on catching this one?

[Insertclevername]

It was from the anime and was done way before Toriyama even conceptualized Vegeta, let alone his son.