Character derailment

[Ninja Murasaki]

Likewise, you are repeating the same thing. And there's no "evidence", there's you misinterpreting things and blatantly ignoring what I and others have been saying - I do not hate Yamcha, any times I mock him are merely in jest (and I'm hardly the only person to do that), and I am not saying he's a horrible person. I am merely saying what the story, and Toriyama, says.

You don't mock him, you directly claim he's a horrible person, over over, and over again. Almost all of your posts that mention Yamcha, say he's a horrible person, faliure, and that you hope he never married or other related things.

We're for intelligent conversations, not the logic of immature shippers and fanfic writers.

I only post this in response to your continued posts of the same.

And as I've said, what Toriyama said recently doesn't contradict that at all. He can still cheat while being nervous with women.

Considering Yamcha couldn't even handle serving women, yes that greatly contradicts the idea that Yamcha was cheating on Bulma. Which you only seem to repeat because you're a shipper with a grudge.

[Saiga]

I don't do that. I called him a cheater because the story and Toriyama say he cheated.

I'm not even a shipper. I don't ship anything in Dragon Ball, although I do like Gohan/Videl. You're now just making things up so you can continue to insult me.

You say we're here for intelligent conversations, but what you're doing is singling me out, misinterpreting me deliberately, name-calling, insulting shippers and fanfic writers, and just plain harassing me repeatedly. None of that comes under "intelligent conversation". So why don't you just give it a rest?

And a host club is more than just serving women. The fact that he had a job there at all implies that his nervousness doesn't make it completely impossible. Being nervous around woman is not enough to say he's incapable of cheating, especially when the story and Toriyama himself say so.

[Ninja Murasaki]

I don't do that. I called him a cheater because the story and Toriyama say he cheated.

I'm not even a shipper. I don't ship anything in Dragon Ball, although I do like Gohan/Videl. You're now just making things up so you can continue to insult me.

Then why are you always defending Bulma and Vegeta, saying the relationship makes sense. There's even a post of yours where you said you hoped Yamcha never ended up with anyone.

You say we're here for intelligent conversations, but what you're doing is singling me out, misinterpreting me deliberately, name-calling, insulting shippers and fanfic writers, and just plain harassing me repeatedly. None of that comes under "intelligent conversation". So why don't you just give it a rest?

I'm singling you out because you've been repeating the same thing and harassing fans. Hardly intelligent conversation.

Others have been annoyed by you, yet you refuse to stop.

Please end this vendetta and post about something else.

And a host club is more than just serving women. The fact that he had a job there at all implies that his nervousness doesn't make it completely impossible. Being nervous around woman is not enough to say he's incapable of cheating, especially when the story and Toriyama himself say so.

A host club is just serving and being around attractive women. You're grasping at straws here.

[Draken]

Yamcha freezes up every time he see's a woman and gets himself knocked out of fights because of it, I doubt he could handle being surrounded by hundreds of women daily...

[Saiga]

Saying Bulma and Vegeta make sense to me isn't shipping, it doesn't even come close. It's just me saying I don't have a problem with the canon pairings. Saying I hope Yamcha ends up with no-one is a joke. As I have been repeatedly saying.

I don't have a vendetta at all - if anyone does, it's you, for singling me out and harassing me. And unlike you, I'm actually active in completely unrelated topics where intelligent conversation actually takes place, while the majority of your posts are harassing me.

I do post about something else - posts about Yamcha are the minority of my posts. Once again, unlike you.

That's not an accurate description of a host club. The women are clients, and they're paying the male hosts to serve and flirt with them. I don't need to be grasping for straws because there is more evidence than he actually did cheat. The story tells us this, and if people want to say otherwise then they're the ones who need to find whatever evidence they can to back it.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Saying Bulma and Vegeta make sense to me isn't shipping, it doesn't even come close. It's just me saying I don't have a problem with the canon pairings. Saying I hope Yamcha ends up with no-one is a joke. As I have been repeatedly saying.

You put that as your headcanon and many other users have stated you have an obvious grudge against him.

You've stated in several posts, you ship characters together.

I don't have a vendetta at all - if anyone does, it's you, for singling me out and harassing me. And unlike you, I'm actually active in completely unrelated topics where intelligent conversation actually takes place, while the majority of your posts are harassing me.

I was posting in this topic ontopic, I got annoyed when you hijacked the constructive posts to complain again on the same topic even.

I don't have a vendetta against you, but it is annoying when you continually hijack topics to complain and assert your view over and over again.

Again, why continue repeating yourself on this topic. You've said you're piece, now be done.

I do post about something else - posts about Yamcha are the minority of my posts. Once again, unlike you.

A good portion of your posts are complaints about him.

That's not an accurate description of a host club. The women are clients, and they're paying the male hosts to serve and flirt with them. I don't need to be grasping for straws because there is more evidence than he actually did cheat. The story tells us this, and if people want to say otherwise then they're the ones who need to find whatever evidence they can to back it.

Actually a lot of the time, the hosts just serve the women and be polite to the women, the main requirement is for them to be attractive. Its not a
high paying job on another subject.

The only thing we got was Trunks saying "Supposedly, Yamcha was a playboy and Bulma broke up with him", the exact lines vary on translation but the main thing is clear. Bulma's lied numerous times before, this only applied to Future Yamcha, and is extremely out of character for him.

You're grasping at straws because you don't provide evidence and you won't let this topic go.

Seriously grow up and contribute to the forum, rather then whine.

I've said my piece.

[Eddie]

C'mon, guys. Not to be a mini-mod or anything, but pump the brakes. There's evidence for both sides. I personally think that there's less evidence that Yamcha's a bashful, faithful dude, but I won't discount what is there. It's also important to not discount the evidence that he wasn't necessarily faithful. It's also not a great idea to attack somebody over joking about Yamcha. I doubt that your average Yamcha joke is intended as a personal attack. Yamcha is a bit of a running joke in everything from DBZ Abridged to Gintama (an actual JUMP series that's been running for years).

[Ninja Murasaki]

C'mon, guys. Not to be a mini-mod or anything, but pump the brakes. There's evidence for both sides. I personally think that there's less evidence that Yamcha's a bashful, faithful dude, but I won't discount what is there. It's also important to not discount the evidence that he wasn't necessarily faithful. It's also not a great idea to attack somebody over joking about Yamcha. I doubt that your average Yamcha joke is intended as a personal attack. Yamcha is a bit of a running joke in everything from DBZ Abridged to Gintama (an actual JUMP series that's been running for years).

I'm aware, Infact, I find many of the actual jokes funny.

[Saiga]

I know what you're talking about. It was a fucking joke, get that through your head. And no, I don't ship characters together. If you're talking about my recent post on 18/Vegeta, I specifically said that was a very long time ago before I knew of the canon pairings.

Take your own advice and move on. I hijacked nothing, I was just joining into the conversation like everybody else.

And no, the majority of my posts are not about Yamcha, or complaints about him. I don't even have any complaints about him, that's just how you choose to see it. That's straight up untrue. Of my posts about Yamcha, the majority of them are replying to you constantly hounding me over it.

You have no right to say I am not letting the topic go if you continue to reply to everything I saw.

We've got what Trunks said, we've got the Bulma/Vegeta part of what he said coming true in the main timeline (suggesting nothing significant changed in either) and we've got Toriyama saying so. There's absolutely nothing saying he isn't except for fans who can't accept it.

[Ninja Murasaki]

I know what you're talking about. It was a fucking joke, get that through your head. And no, I don't ship characters together. If you're talking about my recent post on 18/Vegeta, I specifically said that was a very long time ago before I knew of the canon pairings.

Take your own advice and move on. I hijacked nothing, I was just joining into the conversation like everybody else.

And no, the majority of my posts are not about Yamcha, or complaints about him. I don't even have any complaints about him, that's just how you choose to see it. That's straight up untrue. Of my posts about Yamcha, the majority of them are replying to you constantly hounding me over it.

You have no right to say I am not letting the topic go if you continue to reply to everything I saw.

We've got what Trunks said, we've got the Bulma/Vegeta part of what he said coming true in the main timeline (suggesting nothing significant changed in either) and we've got Toriyama saying so. There's absolutely nothing saying he isn't except for fans who can't accept it.

I'm sorry, but I'm done talking to you here. Its clear now, you've been bothering other fans over shipping for a long time and other similar behavior, refusing to change.

[rereboy]

Considering Yamcha couldn't even handle serving women, yes that greatly contradicts the idea that Yamcha was cheating on Bulma.

That doesn't mean anything. Once he overcame his fear of women, he could have become kind of a "dog" as far as we know, since we don't get to see anything regarding that aspect. We only have two indicators, Bulma telling his son that he wasn't very faithful, and a filler scene in Dragon Ball with Yamcha drolling over some pretty girls he didn't know when he was supposed to be working out. And just because Bulma was also flirty with other men and didn't come across as very faithful, that doesn't mean that she lied and that Yamcha was very faithful. As far as we know, they might have been both not very faithful or Bulma could have been flirty but never actually unfaithful, etc.

[VyeRo]

According to secondhand information, Toriyama joked that Yamcha was a cheater. However, the most recent information directly from Toriyama contradicts this as it says Yamcha still has trouble around women.

That's the problem though. Toriyama made that story up on the spot, and it shows how forgetful he is. I mean, he forgot about Lunch, and then when asked about her he was suddenly able to tell a story about her and Tien, how she went looking for him but Tien didn't want her affections or something. It's clear that he is just making up a background story but he is unaware that it contradicts what's in the manga, because he doesn't keep notes and he keeps forgetting things.
Is Yamcha uncomfortable around women after a 10+ year relationship? I don't think so, maybe he's a bit shy but that's about it. And he was comfortable being around Chichi when they were looking after Goku. I think Toriyama just remembered Yamcha's most peculiar trait, his fear of women, and went with it when he created this backstory.

So I am more inclined to believe what's in the manga, and what he said to Yamcha's voice actor (he made it sound like it's obvious that Yamcha's cheater), than believe the recent information, information that was created 15+ years after the manga had ended, and not at the point of writing the story itself. I hope I make sense.

Saying Yamcha cheated was an easy way out for Toriyama, just like Bulma/Vegeta was a plot device so she could bear him a son. It's not in character because Yamcha doesn't seem like the cheating type, but that's the explanation we're given in the manga so we're supposed to roll with it. Maybe he did cheat, who knows.
But I don't like it when people start putting the blame on Bulma, saying she lied to Future Trunks, saying she was probably the one who cheated, or she overreacted, because there is no evidence to back that up. She was flirty yes, but it doesn't mean she was unfaithful. By accusing Bulma, they are trying to remove all blame from Yamcha because they are not happy with him being a cheater. But as it stands now, there is more evidence that Yamcha cheated than there is for Bulma. And him being afraid of women doesn't exclude the possibility that he cheated.

[Ninja Murasaki]

According to secondhand information, Toriyama joked that Yamcha was a cheater. However, the most recent information directly from Toriyama contradicts this as it says Yamcha still has trouble around women.

That's the problem though. Toriyama made that story up on the spot, and it shows how forgetful he is. I mean, he forgot about Lunch, and then when asked about her he was suddenly able to tell a story about her and Tenshinhan, how she went looking for him but Tenshinhan didn't want her affections or something. It's clear that he is just making up a background story but he is unaware that it contradicts what's in the manga, because he doesn't keep notes and he keeps forgetting things.
Is Yamcha uncomfortable around women after a 10+ year relationship? I don't think so, maybe he's a bit shy but that's about it. And he was comfortable being around Chichi when they were looking after Goku. I think Toriyama just remembered Yamcha's most peculiar trait, his fear of women, and went with it when he created this backstory.

So I am more inclined to believe what's in the manga, and what he said to Yamcha's voice actor (he made it sound like it's obvious that Yamcha's cheater), than believe the recent information, information that was created 15+ years after the manga had ended, and not at the point of writing the story itself. I hope I make sense.

Saying Yamcha cheated was an easy way out for Toriyama, just like Bulma/Vegeta was a plot device so she could bear him a son. It's not in character because Yamcha doesn't seem like the cheating type, but that's the explanation we're given in the manga so we're supposed to roll with it. Maybe he did cheat, who knows.
But I don't like it when people start putting the blame on Bulma, saying she lied to Future Trunks, saying she was probably the one who cheated, or she overreacted, because there is no evidence to back that up. She was flirty yes, but it doesn't mean she was unfaithful. By accusing Bulma, they are trying to remove all blame from Yamcha because they are not happy with him being a cheater. But as it stands now, there is more evidence that Yamcha cheated than there is for Bulma. And him being afraid of women doesn't exclude the possibility that he cheated.

Toriyama's not consistent in the first place, but I agree with you thats its open to personal interpretation.

I'm not putting the blame on Bulma, but it is greatly out of character for Yamcha. And there was a part in Dragon Ball, where Bulma did say at she didn't care about being unfaithful to Yamcha. And being afraid of women, would greatly decrease the chances of him being able to have affairs, especially multiple affairs as Trunks suggested.

Also I've noticed, some of the main supporters of this, are just shippers looking for an excuse to bother other fans.

[rereboy]

I can't understand how can it be out of character for Yamcha to cheat when we never actually see how he handles himself when he is alone with other women besides Bulma.

Just because he seems nice when he talks to his friends and etc, its out of character for him to cheat when he is alone? We never even see him and Bulma dating or really alone with each other in the entire series as far as I remember!

I think that you simply don't like that Yamcha, as a character, has that flaw because he seems a cool guy. But that doesn't make it out of character. At most you can say that it comes out of nowhere, but that is also doesn't make it out of character.

[Kaboom]

A little late, but nobody here (mods aside) has the right to tell someone how or where to post. Nor to harass someone else about mis-perceived accusations of bias. Let's keep it shonen, people.

(Shipping is kind of a dumb thing to get in an argument about, anyway)