Buugetto

[MDSTSSJ]

Even if it was just the SS2-tier Good Buu, Baby Vegeta would still be stronger than Vegito. I simply don't think that Vegito is over 32,000 times stronger than, say, Majin Vegeta. Baby Vegeta (Golden Ape) should be around Majin Buu x 40,000 at the least, since like I said his first form (which would be Majin Buu x 500 here) was noticeably stronger than SS3 Goku, who's Majin Buu x 400. Vegito's base was implied to be weaker than Buuhan, so Vegito's max should be Buuhan x 400... and again, I don't think Buuhan is a hundred times stronger than Good Buu.

Also, personally I never saw Good Buu as that weak, I saw him more on the level of the original Fat Buu; he has less Buu power, but in turn his Kaioshin power is not as neutered. I think this because he actually managed to put up a decent fight against the SS3-tier Kid Buu.

Buugetto has nothing to do against Yi and much much less against SSJ4 Gogeta and maybe and equal match with SSJ4 Kakarotto beyond his limits.

He's nowhere close. Like I said, Baby Vegeta as a Golden Ape was at least Majin Buu (probably Kid or Good) x 40,000. SS4 Goku was even with him.

Well, as GT is a continuation of the anime, I take the anime filler of Base Vegito as valid for this. And this Vegito was still far beyond Buuhan. Also, Vegito would definitely have been able to transform into a Super Saiyan 2, and would most likely have been able to do SSJ3 as well. If "Buugetto" could tap into this power, I have no problem with him reaching obscene levels of strength.
As for Good Buu, I have him at the level that Buu displayed right after breaking out of his ball. The one that Gohan believed he might be able to defeat, and that Vegeta wasn't worried about. I think that he only lasted as long as he did against Pure Buu because of his regeneration and that Pure Buu was just playing around.

I think when the guides, Daizenshuus, etc talking about Vegetto, always speaks of him with all his total powers ( including SSJ2 and SSJ3 ) and never separate assumptions.

[Zephyr]

Even the Yamcha example isn't really comparable to what we're discussing.

Evidence points to character X being stronger than character Y.

Narrator states that character Y is stronger than character X.


I'm not seeing how this isn't comparable. The same logic applies.

But no, I get what you're arguing at. By the anime's forced, contradictory, logic, Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. But by the anime logic, DBZ Movie 1 happened as well. Villains get to keep their bodies, even for longer than 10 years despite Kid Buu's soul being reincarnated in less than that. Jut because something is true in the anime version doesn't mean it's worth taking seriously in any way, shape, or form. Unless it's an anime-centric in-universe discussion, then why not?

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

SS3 Goku - 1 KB
SS Gotenks - 1 KB
SS3 Gotenks - 8 KB
Super Buu- 8 KB
Ultimate Gohan- 13 KB
Buutenks- 16 KB
Buuhan- 21 KB
Base Vegito- 20 KB
SS Vegito- 1000 KB
Hypothetical SS3 Vegito- 8000 KB

Now for GT, Baby Saga: I'm assuming that Goku is referring to the last Majin Buu he fought- the being that is Majin Buu himself, not Majin Buu + South Kaioshin, or Majin Buu + Dai Kaioshin. The statement comparing Rildo to Buu came from early in the series where Goku was explicitly much weaker, so just preface every number here with "much stronger than":

Base Goku- 1 KB
SS3 Goku- 400 KB
First Form Baby Vegeta- 500 KB
Second Form Baby Vegeta- 1000 KB
Third Form Baby Vegeta- 4000 KB
Golden Ape Baby Vegeta- 40,000 KB
SS4 Goku- 40,000 KB

Sorry but SSj4 can't be that far above Vegetto. We have a statement saying Vegetto is "perhaps stronger than a SSj4", I can't see SSj4 being 40x stronger than Super Vegetto then.

I put Boogetto (anime) about equal with SSJ4 Goku (surpassed limits).

[MDSTSSJ]

Sorry but SSj4 can't be that far above Vegetto. We have a statement saying Vegetto is "perhaps stronger than a SSj4", I can't see SSj4 being 40x stronger than Super Vegetto then.

SSJ4 Kakarotto beyond limits is far stronger than Vegetto. Perhaps is a word that does not guarantee anything and comparison is made against regular SSJ4 Goku because nothing is specified.

I put Boogetto (anime) about equal with SSJ4 Goku (surpassed limits).

Yeah, maybe!!

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Sorry but SSj4 can't be that far above Vegetto. We have a statement saying Vegetto is "perhaps stronger than a SSj4", I can't see SSj4 being 40x stronger than Super Vegetto then.

SSJ4 Kakarotto beyond limits is far stronger than Vegetto. Perhaps is a word that does not guarantee anything and comparison is made against regular SSJ4 Goku because nothing is specified.

I think he's roughly equal to regular SSj4, but yes I agree that SSj4 beyond limits is more powerful than Super Vegetto.

[RandomGuy96]

Not just Super Vegetto. Vegetto, period.

[Saiga]

Even the Yamcha example isn't really comparable to what we're discussing.

Evidence points to character X being stronger than character Y.

Narrator states that character Y is stronger than character X.


I'm not seeing how this isn't comparable. The same logic applies.

But no, I get what you're arguing at. By the anime's forced, contradictory, logic, Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. But by the anime logic, DBZ Movie 1 happened as well. Villains get to keep their bodies, even for longer than 10 years despite Kid Buu's soul being reincarnated in less than that. Jut because something is true in the anime version doesn't mean it's worth taking seriously in any way, shape, or form. Unless it's an anime-centric in-universe discussion, then why not?

If the Yamcha example was just the narrator saying it and nothing else being different, then it's not the same. Keep in mind that both Goku and Kaioshin state that Pure Boo is the strongest as well.

Anyway, yes, that's all I'm trying to say. Anime logic = Pure Boo is the strongest. And I think that should hold true for GT, because it follows the anime and has the villain's keeping their bodies/movie villains etc.

[Draken]

Even the Yamcha example isn't really comparable to what we're discussing.

Evidence points to character X being stronger than character Y.

Narrator states that character Y is stronger than character X.


I'm not seeing how this isn't comparable. The same logic applies.

But no, I get what you're arguing at. By the anime's forced, contradictory, logic, Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. But by the anime logic, DBZ Movie 1 happened as well. Villains get to keep their bodies, even for longer than 10 years despite Kid Buu's soul being reincarnated in less than that. Jut because something is true in the anime version doesn't mean it's worth taking seriously in any way, shape, or form. Unless it's an anime-centric in-universe discussion, then why not?

If the Yamcha example was just the narrator saying it and nothing else being different, then it's not the same. Keep in mind that both Goku and Kaioshin state that Pure Boo is the strongest as well.

Anyway, yes, that's all I'm trying to say. Anime logic = Pure Boo is the strongest. And I think that should hold true for GT, because it follows the anime and has the villain's keeping their bodies/movie villains etc.

Where exactly does Goku state that again? Episode and time. Also maybe he was referring to the strongest he fought.

[Saiga]

I don't know, since I don't have the Japanese version available. Darkprince410 was the one who originally mentioned the line:

I'm aware of him saying that, but I'm just saying there is that discrepancy in what the anime has to say. The canon dialogue has Goku being weaker than all the forms of Evil Buu, but the non-canon dialogue and scenes together have Goku being both weaker than all the forms of Evil Buu while somehow still being far stronger than all of them at the same time (because of his non-canon statement that Pure Buu is on a whole different level than any other Buu he's fought)

Oh, and Kaboom said:

I'm pretty sure it's towards the end of Episode 279, leading into Goku first going Super Saiyan 3 against Pure Boo after having been fighting him in just Super Saiyan 2 up to that point.

Which might help you find it.

[Draken]

Thus begins my anime searching journey . I'm still not sure why the anime is relevant in this convo when Super Vegetto completely dominated in both the anime and manga, thus making Buugetto at a high tier GT level.