Discussion specifically regarding the "refreshed" TV version of DBZ created in Japan for its 20th anniversary, including individual threads for each episode.
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by IIMaxII » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:24 pm
I was watching DBZ Kai on Blu-Ray in English and at the part where Frieza kills Vegeta, he makes a spit face, but no blood comes out...so I looked it up on youtube to see if it was supposed to be like that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPu0z67TdY
and this has blood...why is mine cut?!
EDIT**** Here's the video where he doesn't cough up blood at 0:09.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uajgp_jEOPk
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by Gaffer Tape » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:10 pm
Because the former link you posted is (very poor quality orange brick) footage from DBZ edited to the audio of the Kai dub, while the latter link is actual Kai footage.
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by IIMaxII » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:34 pm
Gaffer Tape wrote:Because the former link you posted is (very poor quality orange brick) footage from DBZ edited to the audio of the Kai dub, while the latter link is actual Kai footage.
Ignore the fact that the prior link is from the orange bricks. I am seeing the prior link on my Kai blu-ray, I just used the video as an example of what I am seeing.
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by Gaffer Tape » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:54 pm
But how are you seeing the former link if you're saying you're not seeing blood? There's definitely blood in the former link. Regardless, your Blu-ray is correct. That is uncut as far as Kai goes. However, uncut Kai, even in Japan, is and always has been a censored version of Z. And that's what the video you're linking to is: Z.
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by DBZ Mick » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:11 pm
I was also disappointed with some of the blood loss during the fight with Freeza. Especially when Freeza powers up to 50% and smashes Goku in the face with his elbow. In the original there was this nasty stream of blood from Goku's nose when he recoils after being hit by it but they cut it out in Kai. Also Vegeta's death had a lot of blood cut...
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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by IIMaxII » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:00 pm
Ugh...I was mis-informed with this being uncut, oh well the voice actors more than make up for it, I just wish they would say kill instead of defeat...>.>
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by Metalwario64 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:02 pm
IIMaxII wrote:I just wish they would say kill instead of defeat...>.>
They do say kill... all the time.

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by Gaffer Tape » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:36 pm
IIMaxII wrote:Ugh...I was mis-informed with this being uncut
Not exactly. It is uncut... for Kai. There are more censored versions of Kai that air on American televisions, but this is the uncensored form of Kai.
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by GotenDaisuki » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:46 pm
The censorship made to the DVDs has nothing to do with Z. That is its own entity entirely. Because of stricter broadcast standards in Japan, Toei had to tone it down a bit, hence the censorship in Kai. But the extent to the censorship for the uncut version of Kai is still not very bad at all (personally I don't care about blood loss) and is all Toei, not FUNimation. Be happy that you have an uncut resource rather than the default TV versions, one of which had more edits but was still watchable (Nicktoons), and one that butchered the entire show, unnecessarily (The CW); all these edits were made by FUNimation in addition to the already present Toei edits.
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by TheBlackPaladin » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:02 pm
This can get kind of confusing, so here it is simplified...
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Nicktoons Version of Kai (censored even further, both visually and in terms of dialogue, but all things considered, the editing is pretty well-done).
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CW/4Kids/Toonzai/Vortexx Version of Kai (the Nicktoons version censored even further, to the point of being laughable at certain points)
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, fellow Kanzenshuuer Tanooki Kuriboh compiled
an awesome guide to all of the edits done in the Nicktoons version of Kai.
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by IIMaxII » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:05 pm
TheBlackPaladin wrote:This can get kind of confusing, so here it is simplified...
Dragon Ball Z
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Kai (adapted from the animation used in DBZ, but censored in parts due to stricter broadcast rules in Japan...this is the version found on DVD and Blu-Ray).
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Nicktoons Version of Kai (censored even further, both visually and in terms of dialogue, but all things considered, the editing is pretty well-done).
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CW/4Kids/Toonzai/Vortexx Version of Kai (the Nicktoons version censored even further, to the point of being laughable at certain points)
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, fellow Kanzenshuuer Tanooki Kuriboh compiled
an awesome guide to all of the edits done in the Nicktoons version of Kai.
Excellent post! TBF I only was a bit irritated with the part where it looks like blood was supposed to come out of his mouth, that was completely noticeable.
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by DemonRin » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:52 pm
I'd be interested in comparing these sequences and seeing if some of the bits with blood were in the manga, like that move in Son Vs. Freeza where there's that headbutt.
There's a possibility that a portion of these weren't censorship so much as Toei choosing to remove a bloody filler scene because it's filler, not because it's bloody.
Also, any of the bits that are called "Censorship" with regards to damage dealt by Ki attacks are actually NOT censorship as far as I can tell. Like the Makankōsappō that killed Son and Raditz. The blood wasn't removed because of censorship, but because it looks like they attempted to make all Ki attacks have a burning or searing effect which wouldn't bleed due to cauterization of the wound. You can tell this because later when Vegeta takes a few hits to his armor from ki attacks, if you pay attention they now leave black char marks around the entry hole.
NOW, whether they did a good job of this is up in the air. Some people don't like that Son and Raditz' chests don't seem to even have a hole after the blast now, but I'd say that's a poor job handling the effect and not "Censorship".
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by Gaffer Tape » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:10 pm
That's certainly an interesting take I'd never thought of before, but I personally think you're giving them too much credit. There's never been anything to suggest that ki blasts cauterize wounds before. In fact, everything in Dragon Ball goes completely against that idea. Why would they suddenly be taking the effects in a completely different direction, especially in a series that's trying to make itself closer to the original manga? So maybe that is the "in-universe" explanation behind it looking the way it does, assuming there is meant to be one at all, but I can't see any reason why they'd bother changing it at all except for the purposes of censorship.
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by linkdude20002001 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:19 am
TheBlackPaladin wrote:Kai (adapted from the animation used in DBZ, but censored in parts due to stricter broadcast rules in Japan...this is the version found on DVD and Blu-Ray).
I think the reason for censorship is the early morning time slot. DBZ was able to get away with more probably because it aired during the evening.
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by DBZ Mick » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:22 am
Some people don't like that Son and Raditz' chests don't seem to even have a hole after the blast now
That's really the only 'censorship' that bothers me.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
Superman in an orange Gi was the bastard son of FUNimation. Its not The real character, it is as false as Chatku.
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by Cure Dragon 255 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:39 am
GotenDaisuki wrote:The censorship made to the DVDs has nothing to do with Z. That is its own entity entirely. Because of stricter broadcast standards in Japan, Toei had to tone it down a bit, hence the censorship in Kai. But the extent to the censorship for the uncut version of Kai is still not very bad at all (personally I don't care about blood loss) and is all Toei, not FUNimation. Be happy that you have an uncut resource rather than the default TV versions, one of which had more edits but was still watchable (Nicktoons), and one that butchered the entire show, unnecessarily (The CW); all these edits were made by FUNimation in addition to the already present Toei edits.
The reason is The CW's BS&P staff.