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Post by rereboy » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:01 pm

Kaboom wrote:The use of "Potala" over "Potara" is what's bugging me more than anything else.

I kind of like the idea that the Potara are usually only reserved for the Kaioshin, but Vegetto was a "desperate times, desperate measures" exception. But the notion that the Elder somehow altered them is stupid. As is as the resulting convoluted explanation for why he defused. Just go with the old fan-favorite "Boo magic and Kaioshin magic don't mix well" explanation. Doesn't need to be any more complex than that. I hope choosing to complicate things is for the sake of a worthwhile plot point.
What I find kind of stupid is Kaioshin's essence splitting Vegetto. What does that even mean?! Besides, the old Kaioshin implied that they couldn't be separated. If there were something that the Kaioshins (or their essence) could do to separate them, then why would he say that its permanent? :crazy:

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Post by Pantalones » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:20 pm

The part about the Potara earrings needing to be altered before Goku and Vegeta could use them is the part that bugs me... since that's not mentioned or even remotely hinted at anywhere else (Potara fusion being "not quite permanent" is never really explained and is attributed to "something about the air inside Buu," which at least leaves room for the "something to do with Kaioshin presence" explanation even if that's not really hinted either.) The old Kaioshin even used them to fuse with a non-Kaioshin... so aside from Kaioshin+Kibito every example of Potara fusion involved at least one non-Kaioshin! They may not have been intended for non-Kaioshin use, but they certainly do work for non-Kaioshins without anything needing to be changed about them first... maybe forbidden, but still works.

"Potaras are intended for only the Kaioshin to use and Vegetto is something unnatural and forbidden, plus his power is more than they ever would have expected" all pretty much makes sense, though.

Maybe the Potara-fusion-splitting technique was something developed by Kaioshins that came after the old guy sealed in the Z-Sword? He was 15 generations past, after all. The North, South, West, and Dai Kaioshin of the current generation knew about it, but the young East Kaioshin (who was the newbie of the group at the time of Buu's creation) didn't have a chance to find out about it before Buu killed/absorbed the rest. He didn't even know what the Potara themselves were when the old Kaioshin introduced them, after all, so there's bound to be other Kaioshin things he hadn't learned yet too.

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:58 am

Hey everyone. I've followed DBM for a while now and why it think it's a great fan manga does anyone else think that saligar puts too much rules of the characters.

For example the potara storyline with Vegito(actually the whole Vegito character seems wrong) or the base saiyans are under Frieza ect.

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Post by testing223 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:40 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What the fuck is this bullshit about Rou Kaioshin enhancing the Potara for Goku? And about the Kaioshin's essence splitting Vegetto inside Boo, and about Vegetto's existence being a blasphemy? If the Kaioshin could split Vegetto, and if Vegetto is a blasphemy, then Rou Kaioshin would have split Vegetto in U16. All this crap is fucking bullshit.
Who says any of the Kaioshins are alive in u16? For all we know Buu killed the two last Kais and Vegetto blew him away.
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Post by rereboy » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:33 am

testing223 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What the fuck is this bullshit about Rou Kaioshin enhancing the Potara for Goku? And about the Kaioshin's essence splitting Vegetto inside Boo, and about Vegetto's existence being a blasphemy? If the Kaioshin could split Vegetto, and if Vegetto is a blasphemy, then Rou Kaioshin would have split Vegetto in U16. All this crap is fucking bullshit.
Who says any of the Kaioshins are alive in u16? For all we know Buu killed the two last Kais and Vegetto blew him away.
Everything in U16 is the same as U18 with the exception that Vegetto didn't defused and that Vegetto killed Kid Buu as he was trying to blow up the Earth after he rescued Gohan and the others.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:54 am

testing223 wrote:Who says any of the Kaioshins are alive in u16? For all we know Buu killed the two last Kais and Vegetto blew him away.
Because I've read some of the novel, and there is nothing about Boo killing Rou Kaioshin & Kibitoshin.
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Post by Hades » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:08 am

Marco Polo wrote:Yeah if the Shinjins can defuse people then I wonder why they didn't defuse Rou Kaioshin and the ugly witch. And Eastern Kaioshin didn't even know about the Potaras until Rou told him!
Maybe it was a later development, and Elder Kaioshin was a precedent for future portara usage to be "kaioshin only, unless we are in a SHTF situation"? Speaking of which, why weren't the Potaras used in Buu's original rampage?
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Post by Hades » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:15 am

@On the Kaioshins splitting Vegetto:

surely they'd understand that Buu was a bigger threat, and that Vegetto was sent to stop it?
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Post by jjgp1112 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:42 pm

I'm really not feeling the art on these last few pages.
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Post by rereboy » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:23 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I'm really not feeling the art on these last few pages.
Its good, its just not as Toriyama-like as Gogeta Jr. Also, the artist could improve the range of the facial expressions.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:33 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What the fuck is this bullshit about Rou Kaioshin enhancing the Potara for Goku? And about the Kaioshin's essence splitting Vegetto inside Boo, and about Vegetto's existence being a blasphemy? If the Kaioshin could split Vegetto, and if Vegetto is a blasphemy, then Rou Kaioshin would have split Vegetto in U16. All this crap is fucking bullshit.
Agreed. The fact that the Potara stopped working because Buu's body negated the Kaioshin influence is legit but the rest is absolute garbage.
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Post by CaBrPi » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:45 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What the fuck is this bullshit about Rou Kaioshin enhancing the Potara for Goku? And about the Kaioshin's essence splitting Vegetto inside Boo, and about Vegetto's existence being a blasphemy? If the Kaioshin could split Vegetto, and if Vegetto is a blasphemy, then Rou Kaioshin would have split Vegetto in U16. All this crap is fucking bullshit.
Agreed. The fact that the Potara stopped working because Buu's body negated the Kaioshin influence is legit but the rest is absolute garbage.
I'm pretty sure they said the Potara quit because the Kaioshin influence within Buu thought Vegetto's existence was blasphemous.

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Post by Beji » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:26 pm

In case noone reads the comments below on the comics
Salagir2 wrote:(In case it's not clear, it’s Gohan from universe 16 on this page. He talked to the Kaio Shins during the night, as was said several pages ago)

Hi everyone.

Sorry for the long text, but I wanted to explain a few things about potala-fusion.
Gokû's explanation regarding the de-fusion of Vegetto inside Buu never convinced me. The real reason is actually never told and we all understand it was merely a trick from Toriyama to separate Vegetto.
I’ve invented a reason, and this will be DBM-canon. Before carrying on, here is some more informations about what I invented about the Kaiô Shins.

Have you never wondered why those guys wear the incredibly powerful and dangerous Potalas around? It’s the treasure of the Kaio Shins, the old one said. And, of course, as East Kaio Shin was too young, he didn’t know about them.

So I've decided they were invented by and for the Kaio Shins. They would work only if one of the user was a Kaio Shin, and he would use it to gain abilities from another person. It’s not an equal fusion : the old Kaiô Shin used 'I' when he spoke of the younger Kaio Shin and 'she' when he spoke of the old witch. Same goes for Kibitoshin, he spoke of Kibito as another person. Contrary to the dance-fusion, the Potalas allows one Kaio Shin to “absorb” another being!
(Of course I’m only interpreting a few sentences, but I decided this to be official in DBM).

This means that someone who steals the Potalas won’t be able to use them.

This also means that old Kaiô Shin modified the Potalas he gave to Gokû. Of course, this isn’t told in the manga, and clearly he didn’t take the time to explain, but please bear with me here and accept that he did modify the potalas in a second because it was easy for him, and he didn’t talk about the details.
This whole theory could even work without this “Kaiô Shin only” rule, but it will help reducing the number of fused people around and also explain why it feels like the Kaiô Shin doesn’t treat the other fused person as an equal.
As Gokû isn’t a Kaiô Shin, an “upper” being, the resulting being considers Vegeta an equal, so it’s like a dance-fusion : a new being, not simply a better Kaiô Shin.

Remember that the Kaiô Shins are very arrogant, and don’t think much of the “lower” beings. Also keep in mind that the old Kaiô Shin enforces lots of rules, he is very strict about them (although he understand the whole universe is in danger and that’s why he agrees to create Vegetto and to use the Dragon Balls).

This takes us to the inside of Buu. It now fits perfectly.
Kaiô Shins' essences are in Buu. Vegetto is “illegally” using a Kaiô Shin device.
They act on it and “split” Vegetto.
I like that they don't like Vegetto's existence. That's actually really clever to have the almighty gods think of him as sort of an abomination but is completely overshadowed by pushing so much extra bull into it. Like other people said we've gone over the Majin cancels out Potara theory and it seems to be the well accepted thing. I wouldn't mind a different alternative but this "Kaioshin changed the earrings for them to wear" is horrifying when they get offered the second set of earrings too do they just stare at them an authorize it? And in the same case what of the Elder Kai? I don't think he appreciated being fused with that witch. The tradeoffs with the magic would maybe have him be kept around but something that important would not be just overlooked and never mentioned in the series. Their essence in Buu de-authorizing the fusion is cringe-worthy to me. Broly can be OP as hell I just treat him like a different character, but I cant really see the fundamentals of how the Potaras work be changed. It's his fanfic though so he can write whatever he wants. Goku can get a Potala, fuse with another Goku and be turned into a blue dragon because, because.

So hopefully he doesn't do anything more that would make the series more unattractive. With the artist swap I was still content with the art and stayed for the story. I was already upset about how kirllin lost, not that he lost. I considered it to be an actual main fight but with they way it ended it seemed like a filler fight, which had a break by other multiverse explanation filler. So Id rather not have filler, filler fight, a very bold change in how potara works and then filler after this scene is over. It means I should just not visit the site for 3 months and maybe I'll be able to have a read.

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Post by dprez » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:45 pm

Yea, seams like the explanation was almost added unnecessarily. It's like, it works, but it doesn't fit well enough for it to feel like it's needed.... :problem:

I really don't have much of a problem with it though.

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Post by Storm101 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:38 am

Both theories are stupid quite honestly... At least this one tries to put more thought into it and isn't such a cop-out like the commonly accepted theory, though.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:16 pm

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Yes Goku, they totally came over for more food. :roll: Can't see their conversation with Old Kai going well either.
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Post by rereboy » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:30 pm

This chapter will be shorter than expected.

Afterwards there will be a special, and its cover totally surprised me :shock:. Great art :clap:.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:36 pm

I'm predicting this chapter will end with Vegetto and his opponent just about to start fighting, with us either just seeing what XII or whatever it's name was looks like, or we don't even get to see that yet.

And I know you probably can't say a whole lot, but does the presumed content of the next special chapter seem interesting at all rereboy?
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Post by omegalucas » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:41 pm

Goku is wearing his Go Kanji now 8)
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Post by rereboy » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:45 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:
And I know you probably can't say a whole lot, but does the presumed content of the next special chapter seem interesting at all rereboy?
Comparing to the other specials... Very. Also, its something that has been discussed in fandom frequently. So I'm hoping that they don't drop the ball and actually do a good special instead.

However, I'm not sure what it has to do with DBM :think:

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