Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Tzigi]

And I know you probably can't say a whole lot, but does the presumed content of the next special chapter seem interesting at all rereboy?

Comparing to the other specials... Very. Also, its something that has been discussed in fandom frequently. So I'm hoping that they don't drop the ball and actually do a good special instead.

However, I'm not sure what it has to do with DBM

OK, I'm also a translator and I can see the page in question. For me this is one of the few special chapters I'm not at all interested in. It seems to have no direct relation to what's happening in the main story (actually no direct relation to anything DBM-specific whatsoever). For now it seems like a "DB Gaiden" type of thing. But I'm still judging only the cover. And the art is sure good.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Hmm, so it seems to possibly not have a thing to do with the story, so far as we can tell anyway, but has decent art (again, based on one page at least)...interesting. Definitely intrigued to see it when the rest of us get to that point.

[Marco Polo]

Holy s****, the art took a serious nosedive

[omegalucas]

Holy s****, the art took a serious nosedive

It's a different artist from Gogeta Jr., so it's normal.

[coola]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoB3nfkge0E I have nothing more to add, i agree with what he said.

[rereboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoB3nfkge0E I have nothing more to add, i agree with what he said.

I don't. Gohan basically tricked them while still keeping his end of the deal. There's no way they will convince the old Kaioshin to give them the power up. Gohan knew this all along, he knew that what he was promising them was actually useless for them, and used that knowledge to make sure that Pan would survive her match. Now the Saiyans are stuck with the knowledge that Gohan promised them and powerless to actually achieve their goals, despite Gohan keeping his promise.

Whoever made that video says that its out of character for Gohan to keep his word, that he should tell them to fuck off. Really? Gohan telling them to fuck off after not keeping a promise he made? And he believes THAT's in character for Gohan? . No way. What he did, keeping his promise and giving them the piece of information that they wanted but its actually useless for them since the Kaioshin won't give them the power-up no matter what, is way more in character than Gohan being all like "stfu bitch, ain't nothing u can do about me not keeping my promise, screw you!". I can't even imagine him doing that. Piccolo or Vegeta, yes. Him, no. This feels much more right for him.

Besides, whoever made that video actually argues that Gohan created a dangerous situation. Really? How so? They sure as hell won't be able to convince the Old Kaioshin... And even if they did, or somehow forced him to, it would take many hours for each power-up, plenty of time to stop them or prevent them from achieving what they want... And, even if they actually managed to get the power-up and we had a Mystic Vegeta, there's nothing implying that he would even be superior to Mystic Gohan. And there's two of them there, besides the fighters that are actually stronger than Mystic Gohan. So... Dangerous?

[Hades]

Holding out for Mystic!Universe 9!Tenshinhan.

[Hellspawn28]

If Vegeta does somehow goes mystic then I doubt he will be strong enough as Gohan. I doubt U13 Vegeta as a SSj is near Assj level and I think he will be barely around SSj2 if Kaioshin does help Vegeta go mystic.

[miguelnuva1]

If Vegeta does somehow goes mystic then I doubt he will be strong enough as Gohan. I doubt U13 Vegeta as a SSj is near Assj level and I think he will be barely around SSj2 if Kaioshin does help Vegeta go mystic.

A Mystic Gohan and Mystic Vegeta shouldn't be touching SSJ3 Gotenks(Buu saga) let alone mystic Gohan unless this is GT potential.

I really don't see how much harm Gohan is creating.

[coola]

I guess you guys are right with Gohan and Vegeta deal, but i still agree with what he said, about Goku having to go SSJ against 17.

[TheMightyOzaru]

What the fuck is this bullshit about Rou Kaioshin enhancing the Potara for Goku? And about the Kaioshin's essence splitting Vegetto inside Boo, and about Vegetto's existence being a blasphemy? If the Kaioshin could split Vegetto, and if Vegetto is a blasphemy, then Rou Kaioshin would have split Vegetto in U16. All this crap is fucking bullshit.

Agreed. The fact that the Potara stopped working because Buu's body negated the Kaioshin influence is legit but the rest is absolute garbage.

I'm pretty sure they said the Potara quit because the Kaioshin influence within Buu thought Vegetto's existence was blasphemous.

No... Nothing suggests this in the manga. Vegetto diffused because the potara, being Kaioshin items, were negated by Buu. Vegetto's existence isn't blasphemous.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No... Nothing suggests this in the manga. Vegetto diffused because the potara, being Kaioshin items, were negated by Buu. Vegetto's existence isn't blasphemous.

Yes...They are talking about Multiverse, not the original manga. This was all suggested in the last few pages, as well as in a comment from Salagir himself.

[rereboy]

I guess you guys are right with Gohan and Vegeta deal, but i still agree with what he said, about Goku having to go SSJ against 17.

Nothing suggests that Goku ever surpassed #17 in his base in the manga. In fact, the latest movie seems to suggest that Goku in his base isn't stronger than Freeza. So its perfectly fine if Salagir makes Goku having to go SSJ against #17 in his FAN manga. Whoever uploaded that video clearly doesn't understand the concept of multiple plausible scenarios, opinions and interpretations if he thinks that Goku having to go SSJ against #17 is factually wrong.

No... Nothing suggests this in the manga. Vegetto diffused because the potara, being Kaioshin items, were negated by Buu. Vegetto's existence isn't blasphemous.

We don't know why they stopped working. Period. What you are saying is your interpretation and its a likely scenario indeed.

Salagir's interpretation is just another interpretation. However, I agree that his interpretation has problems and doesn't work very well because it assumes too much and kind of goes against some things that are implied in the manga.

[miguelnuva1]

I guess you guys are right with Gohan and Vegeta deal, but i still agree with what he said, about Goku having to go SSJ against 17.

Nothing suggest that Goku ever surpassed #17 in his base in the manga. In fact, the latest movie seems to suggest that Goku in his base isn't stronger than Freeza. So its perfectly fine if Salagir makes Goku having to do SSJ agaisnt #17 in his FAN manga. Whoever uploaded that video clearly doesn't understand the concept of multiple plausible scenarios, opinions and interpretations if he thinks that Goku having to go SSJ agaisnt #17 is factually wrong.

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You need to go here with that statement. http://dbzf.co.uk/forum/955/

[rereboy]

Never heard of that forum before. I don't know if its a good forum or not but this forum is the "top dog" of Dragon Ball forums, so I don't feel the need to go anywhere else

(Btw, I corrected a few of my spelling mistakes in my post).

[Tzigi]

I guess you guys are right with Gohan and Vegeta deal, but i still agree with what he said, about Goku having to go SSJ against 17.

The french DBM novelization is a chapter ahead of the english one and it explains the situation nicely - it's not that Goku had to become SSJ in order to beat 17, he only assumed that 17 would be more of a challenge then he really was.

Son Gokû se transforma en Super Saiyan, ce qui n’émeut guère #17. Il en avait déjà vu trois avant le tournoi. En revanche, ce qui le surprit, c’est la vitesse à laquelle son adversaire arriva jusqu’à lui et la puissance du coup de poing qu’il reçut à la joue gauche. Ce coup, trop puissant, le fit tomber par terre et le rendit inconscient...

Pour Son Gokû, ce fut aussi une surprise. Il ne s’attendait pas du tout à battre un cyborg d’un seul coup de poing, surtout qu’il n’y avait même pas mis toute sa force... Vegeta avait raison : ce combat était décevant.

My translation:
Son Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan. It did not make an impression on 17. He had already seen three of them before the tournament. But what did surprise him, was the speed with which his opponent came near him and the might of the punch that he received on his left cheek. This punch, too powerful, made him fall on the ground and lose consciousness...

It was also a surprise for Son Goku. He did not expect to beat a cyborg [or android - whatever] with a single punch, especially that he did not put all his strength in it... Vegeta was right: this fight was disappointing.
Sorry for all the inevitable errors.

[Vegito1089]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoB3nfkge0E I have nothing more to add, i agree with what he said.

I don't. Gohan basically tricked them while still keeping his end of the deal. There's no way they will convince the old Kaioshin to give them the power up. Gohan knew this all along, he knew that what he was promising them was actually useless for them, and used that knowledge to make sure that Pan would survive her match. Now the Saiyans are stuck with the knowledge that Gohan promised them and powerless to actually achieve their goals, despite Gohan keeping his promise.

Whoever made that video says that its out of character for Gohan to keep his word, that he should tell them to fuck off. Really? Gohan telling them to fuck off after not keeping a promise he made? And he believes THAT's in character for Gohan? . No way. What he did, keeping his promise and giving them the piece of information that they wanted but its actually useless for them since the Kaioshin won't give them the power-up no matter what, is way more in character than Gohan being all like "stfu bitch, ain't nothing u can do about me not keeping my promise, screw you!". I can't even imagine him doing that. Piccolo or Vegeta, yes. Him, no. This feels much more right for him.

Besides, whoever made that video actually argues that Gohan created a dangerous situation. Really? How so? They sure as hell won't be able to convince the Old Kaioshin... And even if they did, or somehow forced him to, it would take many hours for each power-up, plenty of time to stop them or prevent them from achieving what they want... And, even if they actually managed to get the power-up and we had a Mystic Vegeta, there's nothing implying that he would even be superior to Mystic Gohan. And there's two of them there, besides the fighters that are actually stronger than Mystic Gohan. So... Dangerous?

Its obvious that they are making Vegeta Mystic so that when he goes up agaisnt that Super Namek, it will be a more fair fight. If they dont, they are going to miss out on a giant plot device. Also Gohan knows that Vegeta is best at deceiving and betraying to get what he wants. Gohan also encouraged him to remain calm and polite to Elder Kai.. So is he trying to make Vegeta stronger on purpose? Him doing this makes him come off as really unintelligent. Theres nothing implying that Mystic Vegeta wont be powerful as them? Dude, almost every character here that matters is overpowered and every original Saiyan is a mary sue. Vegeta will be powerful because he will have to fight that Super Namek.

Also as for the ritual dance, it will be awhile before Vegeta fights that Super Namek. He will have plenty of time. Also once Old Kai starts the ritual and Gohan sees that he is doing it, theres nothing he can do. He cant stop him for it will be agaisnt the rules.

Also about the whole 17 vs Goku debate. What are you trying to say? That Goku base form is barely increasing over the years? Also about the movie, we havent seen it so we dont know whats being said and besides, it would be a huge contradiction. Android Saga Ssj Goku would lose agaisnt 17/18, Imperfect Cell is stronger then them, Semi-Perfect Cell is a LOT stronger then them and then at the Cell Games, Goku is able to go up agaisnt Perfect Cell, as you can see theres a major power gap between the androids and Cell, the whole point of the Time chamber training was to not only make himself stronger but to make Gohan stronger, Goku is getting stronger and was able to fight Perfect Cell and even wore him out. Its okay if its a fan thing as long as he says its a fan thing (Which he does and I accept that) but that doesnt mean I cant complain about it since there are changes I dislike and I have every right to speak it out. Doing fan related stuff is fine but critque never leaves, I lost interest in it because everything was becoming changed. But anyway, saying that Goku base form barely increased at all.. I have to come and say thats pure bullshit.

[rereboy]

Its obvious that they are making Vegeta Mystic so that when he goes up agaisnt that Super Namek, it will be a more fair fight. If they dont, they are going to miss out on a giant plot device. Also Gohan knows that Vegeta is best at deceiving and betraying to get what he wants. Gohan also encouraged him to remain calm and polite to Elder Kai.. So is he trying to make Vegeta stronger on purpose? Him doing this makes him come off as really unintelligent. Theres nothing implying that Mystic Vegeta wont be powerful as them? Dude, almost every character here that matters is overpowered and every original Saiyan is a mary sue. Vegeta will be powerful because he will have to fight that Super Namek.

Also as for the dance, it will be awhile before Vegeta fights that Super Namek. He will have plenty of time. Also once Old Kai starts the ritual and Gohan sees that he is doing it, theres nothing he can do. He cant stop him for it will be agaisnt the rules.

Gohan advised them to change their attitude if they truly want the power up. He knows that at least Vegeta can turn out to be a decent person, since Vegeta in his universe is a decent person. So, he is advising them to change their ways if they want the power up because Old Kaioshin won't give it to someone who doesn't deserve it. If the saiyans actually change their ways to get the power up, they will be redeeming themselves, which is great. That is all that Gohan is saying and implying precisely because Gohan knows that there is no other way for them to get the power up.

As you can see, Gohan even thought of that. The only way for them to get the power up is for them to start to change their ways. And you are saying its unintelligent..? . If you say so...

And "almost every character here that matters is overpowered and every original Saiyan is a mary sue"? Right... You clearly have solid arguments.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I didn't know Vegito1089 had an account here.

[Vegito1089]

Its obvious that they are making Vegeta Mystic so that when he goes up agaisnt that Super Namek, it will be a more fair fight. If they dont, they are going to miss out on a giant plot device. Also Gohan knows that Vegeta is best at deceiving and betraying to get what he wants. Gohan also encouraged him to remain calm and polite to Elder Kai.. So is he trying to make Vegeta stronger on purpose? Him doing this makes him come off as really unintelligent. Theres nothing implying that Mystic Vegeta wont be powerful as them? Dude, almost every character here that matters is overpowered and every original Saiyan is a mary sue. Vegeta will be powerful because he will have to fight that Super Namek.

Also as for the dance, it will be awhile before Vegeta fights that Super Namek. He will have plenty of time. Also once Old Kai starts the ritual and Gohan sees that he is doing it, theres nothing he can do. He cant stop him for it will be agaisnt the rules.

Gohan advised them to change their attitude if they truly want the power up. He knows that at least Vegeta can turn out to be a decent person, since Vegeta in his universe is a decent person. So, he is advising them to change their ways if they want the power up because Old Kaioshin won't give it to someone who doesn't deserve it. If the saiyans actually change their ways to get the power up, they will be redeeming themselves, which is great. That is all that Gohan is saying and implying precisely because Gohan knows that there is no other way for them to get the power up.

As you can see, Gohan even thought of that. The only way for them to get the power up is for them to start to change their ways. And you are saying its unintelligent..? . If you say so...

And "almost every character here that matters is overpowered and every original Saiyan is a mary sue"? Right... You clearly have solid arguments.

1. Um that universe Vegeta is nothing like Main Universe Vegeta. Vegeta is a good guy now and why would that universe Vegeta be good? Gohan is smart but he is not stupid. This Vegeta wont change overnight. First off, it took Goku dying to start the whole thing, Vegeta main drive was to kill Goku and achieve his ultimate destiny of his saiyan honor. But after Goku died, Vegeta had nothing left to fight for anymore and gave up fighting, he gave up his mission to live up to his royal honor. Vegeta trained after that was to either teach Trunks a thing or two on fighting and to keep himself in shape. He wasnt out for blood anymore and that took 7 years, it taught him what he does have: a family and a home. It pretty much comes to this, Goku dying and a 7 year gap. Thats how Vegeta started to become good.
This Universe Vegeta has NO reason to become a good guy especially when he is from a universe thats dominated by him. Vegeta has nothing in his mind to redeem, he doesnt care about right and wrong, the Saiyans were evil from the getgo. They shrug and laugh at morality, they were pretty much barbarians, they would laugh at the deaths of millions of people. If Vegeta has to pull a charade and lie to gain more power, he would do that. He has done this before with Frieza. He doesnt care who he has to lie and backstab, he will do it. This Vegeta is literally the Saiyan Prince, his destiny is full of murder and pain onto others. This Vegeta is worse then how Main Universe Vegeta because this Vegeta got everything and now he is even more crueler then he has ever been.
Gohan knows this, it was explained to him and he knows that Vegeta will do anything for more power. Its happened once throughout the series, so why would Gohan play ignorant and assume that Vegeta will become good to gain more power? More power will fuel Vegeta ego and bloodlust.

2. Its easily to argue the Mary Sues, they are just thrown in there for the fights and are WAY overpowered. Bardocks wife and Vegettos daughter, I will kind of excuse Vegetto daughter because of Bra being conceived by Vegetto and that will naturally make her very strong at birth but shes a big Dbz stereotype and thats whats kind of annoying but I will excuse it. But Bardocks wife came out of nowhere and she was stronger then all of the Saiyans. She is a blank slate of a character, we dont know even what rank she is and thats important because Saiyans rank there infants at birth. Are we suppose to assume shes a low class level because shes with Bardock? She was just thrown in there for no reason only to look pretty and badass. The whole point of Bardock special was to prove that Bardock was becoming on par with King Vegeta and King Vegeta is to be claimed to be strongest Saiyan at that moment in time. Frieza and King Vegeta would keep an eye on this lady if she was canon, they would have not let her live if she was this powerful, she would have been exterminated a long time ago. So keep this in mind, if this character were that strong, where was she? Why was she never mentioned before? King Vegeta would kill her so that no one can dethrone him and Frieza would kill her so that no one would dethrone him on his empire. Also far as we know, Bardocks wife is just a local Saiyan or she should be but this character is just one big mary sue in this fan manga.