Battle Of Gods Implies SSJ3 Goku > Ultimate Gohan?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Of course it's true. To put all this speculation away for good. Tarble, Vegeta's brother is mentioned in battle of gods. So directly go back to that special and we see that SSJ Gotenks couldn't do crap to the enemy, yet SSJ Goku defeats him with ease.
If Gohan was the strongest nonfused, then the gods would have made some sort of impression with him. But they don't care about him or Gotenks. Birusu was impressed with SSJ3 Goku after powering up.
Vegeta doesn't care that Birusu is on his way to earth. But when he learns that Goku was easily defeated, he goes to warn everyone and hesitates. Why hesitate if you have Gohan who is supposed to be "much" stronger and even Gotenks who is supposed to be stronger.

Vegeta momentarily surpassed Goku, Gotenks, and Gohan and held his own against Birusu during that time. Roshi states he surpassed Goku. Why mention Goku who is supposed to be weaker than Gohan and why not just mention Gohan who is supposed to be stronger than Goku? Gohan showed off his power against Birusu and he says absolutely nothing about it. This movie/Yo son goku has shown extra evidence that SSJ3 Goku was in fact the strongest Z warrior in the Buu saga. Even the Daizenshuu, where it states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta never said Goku and that Gohan surpassed Gotenks/Super buu, never said Goku, or that it said Pure buu is stronger than Goku and that Goku was #1 and the only one who could fight with Pure buu. You would think that if Gohan were the strongest, it would be directly stated in something official such as the Daizenshuu.

The manga/anime already said Goku was the strongest during the fight against Pure buu. Vegeta openly admitted that he was #1 while in the Cell arc, everyone openly admits that Gohan was #1. I have said this before, people who think Gohan is the strongest only have an interpretation set up from the manga. People who know Goku is the strongest, have the manga, anime, daizenshuu and even further, Battle of Gods/Yo son goku. All 3 sources agreeing with their interpretation of the Buu saga which therefore makes that interpretation the most valid.

I should also point out that the name of the Japanese episode after Buu is defeated is titled : Majin buu is eliminated, Son Goku is the strongest afterall!

[Undertaker]

Of course it's true. To put all this speculation away for good. Tarble, Vegeta's brother is mentioned in battle of gods. So directly go back to that special and we see that SSJ Gotenks couldn't do crap to the enemy, yet SSJ Goku defeats him with ease.
If Gohan was the strongest nonfused, then the gods would have made some sort of impression with him. But they don't care about him or Gotenks. Birusu was impressed with SSJ3 Goku after powering up.
Vegeta doesn't care that Birusu is on his way to earth. But when he learns that Goku was easily defeated, he goes to warn everyone and hesitates. Why hesitate if you have Gohan who is supposed to be "much" stronger and even Gotenks who is supposed to be stronger.

Vegeta momentarily surpassed Goku, Gotenks, and Gohan and held his own against Birusu during that time. Roshi states he surpassed Goku. Why mention Goku who is supposed to be weaker than Gohan and why not just mention Gohan who is supposed to be stronger than Goku? Gohan showed off his power against Birusu and he says absolutely nothing about it. This movie/Yo son goku has shown extra evidence that SSJ3 Goku was in fact the strongest Z warrior in the Buu saga. Even the Daizenshuu, where it states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta never said Goku and that Gohan surpassed Gotenks/Super buu, never said Goku, or that it said Pure buu is stronger than Goku and that Goku was #1 and the only one who could fight with Pure buu. You would think that if Gohan were the strongest, it would be directly stated in something official such as the Daizenshuu.

The manga/anime already said Goku was the strongest during the fight against Pure buu. Vegeta openly admitted that he was #1 while in the Cell arc, everyone openly admits that Gohan was #1. I have said this before, people who think Gohan is the strongest only have an interpretation set up from the manga. People who know Goku is the strongest, have the manga, anime, daizenshuu and even further, Battle of Gods/Yo son goku. All 3 sources agreeing with their interpretation of the Buu saga which therefore makes that interpretation the most valid.

I should also point out that the name of the Japanese episode after Buu is defeated is titled : Majin buu is eliminated, Son Goku is the strongest afterall!

Of course it's true. To put all this speculation away for good. Tarble, Vegeta's brother is mentioned in battle of gods. So directly go back to that special and we see that SSJ Gotenks couldn't do crap to the enemy, yet SSJ Goku defeats him with ease.

Ova 2008 has Gotenks > Goku. Did nothing? Gotenks beat Abocado in base form like nothing while Base Goku is weaker.

If Gohan was the strongest nonfused, then the gods would have made some sort of impression with him. But they don't care about him or Gotenks. Birusu was impressed with SSJ3 Goku after powering up.
Vegeta doesn't care that Birusu is on his way to earth. But when he learns that Goku was easily defeated, he goes to warn everyone and hesitates. Why hesitate if you have Gohan who is supposed to be "much" stronger and even Gotenks who is supposed to be stronger.

Birusu was impressed because Goku was a lot stronger than he thought a s he was not much ahead of Frieza years before and on top, he witnesses three SSJs transformation which is pretty impressive but still nothing strong for him.
Vegeta hesitates because Gohan and Gotenks can't beat Goku in two blows like Birusu did. Also, he never warned anyone. This movie neglected Gohan and Gotenks and was focused on Vegeta and Goku. Vegeta is shown stronger than Gohan before getting mad proves it. That's popularity. Also, the fact that SSJ Gotenks can go toe to toe against Birusu proves he should be stronger than SSJ Goku at least.

Vegeta momentarily surpassed Goku, Gotenks, and Gohan and held his own against Birusu during that time. Roshi states he surpassed Goku. Why mention Goku who is supposed to be weaker than Gohan and why not just mention Gohan who is supposed to be stronger than Goku? Gohan showed off his power against Birusu and he says absolutely nothing about it. This movie/Yo son goku has shown extra evidence that SSJ3 Goku was in fact the strongest Z warrior in the Buu saga. Even the Daizenshuu, where it states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta never said Goku and that Gohan surpassed Gotenks/Super buu, never said Goku, or that it said Pure buu is stronger than Goku and that Goku was #1 and the only one who could fight with Pure buu. You would think that if Gohan were the strongest, it would be directly stated in something official such as the Daizenshuu.

Vegeta surpassed his rival is all what this scene made. He can surpass Goku but not Gohan. If Roshi would have said he surpassed EVEN Goku so you would have a point. Roshi is also the guy who implies Gotenks is as strong as Goku thought. Gohan was powering up and Birusu never saw him. Birusu said nothing about Vegeta even after he surpassed Goku, I gues he must be weaker now. Actually OVA 2008 proves Gotenks > Goku in base and the Boo Saga has SSJ Gotenks > Fat Boo. Gotenks > Goku. The Daizenshuu states Gohan > Gotenks > Goku as they have more hidden powers. Gohan is the mightiest warrior. This is wrong. Goku is not the only one who could fiht Boo. Gohan and Gotenks were able to. Vegeta could not which is why he admits Goku is #1 and that he surpassed him. The Daizenshuu gives hints to Gohan > Goku but can't blatantly say it because the Daiz also follows the Anime where Pure Boo > Vegetto.

The manga/anime already said Goku was the strongest during the fight against Pure buu. Vegeta openly admitted that he was #1 while in the Cell arc, everyone openly admits that Gohan was #1. I have said this before, people who think Gohan is the strongest only have an interpretation set up from the manga. People who know Goku is the strongest, have the manga, anime, daizenshuu and even further, Battle of Gods/Yo son goku. All 3 sources agreeing with their interpretation of the Buu saga which therefore makes that interpretation the most valid.

They never did. The Anime is non canon and contradicts itself and the Manga. Vegeta said he is #1 and the only one who could fight Boo because Vegeta could not. The whole context is Vegeta admits Goku is stronger as they are rivals. Besides, he never sensed Gohan and Gotenks. The Manga should only count. You prefer to use non canon in order to make Goku as the strongest which is bias. First, the Anime is non canon and contradicts itself. It has SSJ Goku > Ultimate Gohan and Pure Boo > Vegetto. The Daizenshuu has Gohan as the strongest following by Gotenks and then Goku. BOG never said Goku was the strongest. He is only the strongest when he was SSJG. OVA 2008 has Gotenks > Goku in base. Not to mention the Boo Saga has SSJ Gotenks > Fat Boo.

Again, non canon title. The Anime says Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo. The Manga and Daizenshuu say Gohan is the Mightiest Warrior. Mightiest=strongest.

[Undertaker]

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[Draken]

Of course it's true. To put all this speculation away for good. Tarble, Vegeta's brother is mentioned in battle of gods. So directly go back to that special and we see that SSJ Gotenks couldn't do crap to the enemy, yet SSJ Goku defeats him with ease.
If Gohan was the strongest nonfused, then the gods would have made some sort of impression with him. But they don't care about him or Gotenks. Birusu was impressed with SSJ3 Goku after powering up.
Vegeta doesn't care that Birusu is on his way to earth. But when he learns that Goku was easily defeated, he goes to warn everyone and hesitates. Why hesitate if you have Gohan who is supposed to be "much" stronger and even Gotenks who is supposed to be stronger.

Vegeta momentarily surpassed Goku, Gotenks, and Gohan and held his own against Birusu during that time. Roshi states he surpassed Goku. Why mention Goku who is supposed to be weaker than Gohan and why not just mention Gohan who is supposed to be stronger than Goku? Gohan showed off his power against Birusu and he says absolutely nothing about it. This movie/Yo son goku has shown extra evidence that SSJ3 Goku was in fact the strongest Z warrior in the Buu saga. Even the Daizenshuu, where it states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta never said Goku and that Gohan surpassed Gotenks/Super buu, never said Goku, or that it said Pure buu is stronger than Goku and that Goku was #1 and the only one who could fight with Pure buu. You would think that if Gohan were the strongest, it would be directly stated in something official such as the Daizenshuu.

The manga/anime already said Goku was the strongest during the fight against Pure buu. Vegeta openly admitted that he was #1 while in the Cell arc, everyone openly admits that Gohan was #1. I have said this before, people who think Gohan is the strongest only have an interpretation set up from the manga. People who know Goku is the strongest, have the manga, anime, daizenshuu and even further, Battle of Gods/Yo son goku. All 3 sources agreeing with their interpretation of the Buu saga which therefore makes that interpretation the most valid.

I should also point out that the name of the Japanese episode after Buu is defeated is titled : Majin buu is eliminated, Son Goku is the strongest afterall!

Wow that proof. So SSJ3 Goku is actually stronger than SSJ Vegetto right? Because Goku is the strongest and #1!

[AnimeMaakuo]

Of course it's true. To put all this speculation away for good. Tarble, Vegeta's brother is mentioned in battle of gods. So directly go back to that special and we see that SSJ Gotenks couldn't do crap to the enemy, yet SSJ Goku defeats him with ease.
If Gohan was the strongest nonfused, then the gods would have made some sort of impression with him. But they don't care about him or Gotenks. Birusu was impressed with SSJ3 Goku after powering up.
Vegeta doesn't care that Birusu is on his way to earth. But when he learns that Goku was easily defeated, he goes to warn everyone and hesitates. Why hesitate if you have Gohan who is supposed to be "much" stronger and even Gotenks who is supposed to be stronger.

Vegeta momentarily surpassed Goku, Gotenks, and Gohan and held his own against Birusu during that time. Roshi states he surpassed Goku. Why mention Goku who is supposed to be weaker than Gohan and why not just mention Gohan who is supposed to be stronger than Goku? Gohan showed off his power against Birusu and he says absolutely nothing about it. This movie/Yo son goku has shown extra evidence that SSJ3 Goku was in fact the strongest Z warrior in the Buu saga. Even the Daizenshuu, where it states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta never said Goku and that Gohan surpassed Gotenks/Super buu, never said Goku, or that it said Pure buu is stronger than Goku and that Goku was #1 and the only one who could fight with Pure buu. You would think that if Gohan were the strongest, it would be directly stated in something official such as the Daizenshuu.

The manga/anime already said Goku was the strongest during the fight against Pure buu. Vegeta openly admitted that he was #1 while in the Cell arc, everyone openly admits that Gohan was #1. I have said this before, people who think Gohan is the strongest only have an interpretation set up from the manga. People who know Goku is the strongest, have the manga, anime, daizenshuu and even further, Battle of Gods/Yo son goku. All 3 sources agreeing with their interpretation of the Buu saga which therefore makes that interpretation the most valid.

I should also point out that the name of the Japanese episode after Buu is defeated is titled : Majin buu is eliminated, Son Goku is the strongest afterall!

Wow that proof. So SSJ3 Goku is actually stronger than SSJ Vegetto right? Because Goku is the strongest and #1!

No-one's going to agree, though, and even if Toriyama himself said "this guy is stronger!", those that don't follow that school of thought don't have to accept that.

[Draken]

Of course it's true. To put all this speculation away for good. Tarble, Vegeta's brother is mentioned in battle of gods. So directly go back to that special and we see that SSJ Gotenks couldn't do crap to the enemy, yet SSJ Goku defeats him with ease.
If Gohan was the strongest nonfused, then the gods would have made some sort of impression with him. But they don't care about him or Gotenks. Birusu was impressed with SSJ3 Goku after powering up.
Vegeta doesn't care that Birusu is on his way to earth. But when he learns that Goku was easily defeated, he goes to warn everyone and hesitates. Why hesitate if you have Gohan who is supposed to be "much" stronger and even Gotenks who is supposed to be stronger.

Vegeta momentarily surpassed Goku, Gotenks, and Gohan and held his own against Birusu during that time. Roshi states he surpassed Goku. Why mention Goku who is supposed to be weaker than Gohan and why not just mention Gohan who is supposed to be stronger than Goku? Gohan showed off his power against Birusu and he says absolutely nothing about it. This movie/Yo son goku has shown extra evidence that SSJ3 Goku was in fact the strongest Z warrior in the Buu saga. Even the Daizenshuu, where it states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta never said Goku and that Gohan surpassed Gotenks/Super buu, never said Goku, or that it said Pure buu is stronger than Goku and that Goku was #1 and the only one who could fight with Pure buu. You would think that if Gohan were the strongest, it would be directly stated in something official such as the Daizenshuu.

The manga/anime already said Goku was the strongest during the fight against Pure buu. Vegeta openly admitted that he was #1 while in the Cell arc, everyone openly admits that Gohan was #1. I have said this before, people who think Gohan is the strongest only have an interpretation set up from the manga. People who know Goku is the strongest, have the manga, anime, daizenshuu and even further, Battle of Gods/Yo son goku. All 3 sources agreeing with their interpretation of the Buu saga which therefore makes that interpretation the most valid.

I should also point out that the name of the Japanese episode after Buu is defeated is titled : Majin buu is eliminated, Son Goku is the strongest afterall!

Wow that proof. So SSJ3 Goku is actually stronger than SSJ Vegetto right? Because Goku is the strongest and #1!

No-one's going to agree, though, and even if Toriyama himself said "this guy is stronger!", those that don't follow that school of thought don't have to accept that.

I was just pointing out my opinion of that logic. In my view, it's obvious both of those statements are just regarding between Goku and Vegeta (Goku, you are the best between us, you're the better rival) and the faulty dub title was (Goku, you are the strongest between Pure Buu and yourself after all!).

[TheMightyOzaru]

No-one's going to agree, though, and even if Toriyama himself said "this guy is stronger!", those that don't follow that school of thought don't have to accept that.

Can you really argue with the man who made the series? I'd say no.

[Draken]

No-one's going to agree, though, and even if Toriyama himself said "this guy is stronger!", those that don't follow that school of thought don't have to accept that.

Can you really argue with the man who made the series? I'd say no.

Well that's pretty much what's going on right now... they're ignoring outright statements by saying Toriyama must have them lying.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yeah I am aware they are ignoring evidence.

[MDSTSSJ]

Let´s see!

In BOG maybe not imply that Kakarotto is the strongest and I agree with that, but I'm sure the power differences between Kakarotto, Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan have shortened quite enough.

Since Goku defeated Pure Boo, he has been training very hard ( according to BOG he also trains in the Other World ) and at the end of DBZ ( 10 years later ) thanks to BOG, it´s quite conceivable to say that Kakarotto ( without the power of SSJG ) is stronger than Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan.

Cheers

[MDSTSSJ]

Also, the fact that SSJ Gotenks can go toe to toe against Birusu proves he should be stronger than SSJ Goku at least.

Gotenks can go toe to toe against Birusu? Where did you get that?

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and he was defeated by one single punch.

[AnimeMaakuo]

No-one's going to agree, though, and even if Toriyama himself said "this guy is stronger!", those that don't follow that school of thought don't have to accept that.

Can you really argue with the man who made the series? I'd say no.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. Thank you for your concern!

[Undertaker]

Also, the fact that SSJ Gotenks can go toe to toe against Birusu proves he should be stronger than SSJ Goku at least.

Gotenks can go toe to toe against Birusu? Where did you get that?

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and he was defeated by one single punch.

He survived an encounter with him. Can you see SSJ Goku doing it?

Edit: Shit, just realised that Owmydragonballz is PrinceofSaiyajins456 from YouTube which is why he keeps ignoring evidence. It's best ignore him.

[VegettoEX]

Multiple account strikes issued, and at least one temporary ban issued so far.

If that does not make things clear enough, let it be said one final time: if you are not going to follow the rules that you agreed to twice prior to registration, you will not be posting as a part of this community.

[Zephyr]

No-one's going to agree, though, and even if Toriyama himself said "this guy is stronger!", those that don't follow that school of thought don't have to accept that.

Can you really argue with the man who made the series? I'd say no.

What if the man says two blatantly contradictory things?

[GTx10]

Son Goku is the strongest because of SSG form. I've never read the official guides so I'm not sure how Gohan is this super powerful warrior people claim he is, Gotenks Buu beat him and ultimately Goku beat Buu. My logic is simple, Goku actually beat Buu so Goku is strongest. I always assumed Kid Buu is the strongest Buu.
Roshi said Vegeta is stronger than Goku when he got angry, I take this as a throw away sentence. Something said to give hype to the moment. Its meaningless. I don't think old man Roshi comprehends the strength of a SS3. Also if SS3 Gotenks is stronger than SS3 Goku why wasn't he in the film?
Goku is a better fighter than Gohan and he trains 24/7 something Gohan doesn't do. It be easy for Goku to surpass him. Ultimately SSG form makes Goku stronger. The BoG's summary implies that Beers beats Gohan and Goku easily. It also says that Beers thought only Goku and Vegeta could be potential threats yet he's silent about Gohan and Gotenks.
I say SS3 Son Goku is stronger than Ultimate Son Gohan.

[Draken]

Son Goku is the strongest because of SSG form. I've never read the official guides so I'm not sure how Gohan is this super powerful warrior people claim he is, Gotenks Buu beat him and ultimately Goku beat Buu. My logic is simple, Goku actually beat Buu so Goku is strongest. I always assumed Kid Buu is the strongest Buu.
Roshi said Vegeta is stronger than Goku when he got angry, I take this as a throw away sentence. Something said to give hype to the moment. Its meaningless. I don't think old man Roshi comprehends the strength of a SS3. Also if SS3 Gotenks is stronger than SS3 Goku why wasn't he in the film?
Goku is a better fighter than Gohan and he trains 24/7 something Gohan doesn't do. It be easy for Goku to surpass him. Ultimately SSG form makes Goku stronger. The BoG's summary implies that Beers beats Gohan and Goku easily. It also says that Beers thought only Goku and Vegeta could be potential threats yet he's silent about Gohan and Gotenks.
I say SS3 Son Goku is stronger than Ultimate Son Gohan.

Goku barely beat Pure Buu with the help of the Super Genki Dama and dragon balls while Gohan throttled Super Buu and could hold his own for awhile against Gotenks-Buu. It was highly implied Pure Buu dropped in power compared to Super Buu and Goku was deathly scared of going up against Super Buu without fusion and jumped into battle against Pure Buu. Most logic points to Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Buu >= Goku.

[FNF]

Son Goku is the strongest because of SSG form. I've never read the official guides so I'm not sure how Gohan is this super powerful warrior people claim he is, Gotenks Buu beat him and ultimately Goku beat Buu. My logic is simple, Goku actually beat Buu so Goku is strongest. I always assumed Kid Buu is the strongest Buu.
Roshi said Vegeta is stronger than Goku when he got angry, I take this as a throw away sentence. Something said to give hype to the moment. Its meaningless. I don't think old man Roshi comprehends the strength of a SS3. Also if SS3 Gotenks is stronger than SS3 Goku why wasn't he in the film?
Goku is a better fighter than Gohan and he trains 24/7 something Gohan doesn't do. It be easy for Goku to surpass him. Ultimately SSG form makes Goku stronger. The BoG's summary implies that Beers beats Gohan and Goku easily. It also says that Beers thought only Goku and Vegeta could be potential threats yet he's silent about Gohan and Gotenks.
I say SS3 Son Goku is stronger than Ultimate Son Gohan.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in the manga Goku says Super Boo is stronger than himself. SSJ3 Gotenks was at least Super Boo's equal and Gohan could beat him into the ground.

Also, no where in the manga does it imply that Kid Boo is the strongest. On the contrary, Goku says he could wipe him out.

Gohan>Super Boo~SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku~Kid Boo.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No-one's going to agree, though, and even if Toriyama himself said "this guy is stronger!", those that don't follow that school of thought don't have to accept that.

Can you really argue with the man who made the series? I'd say no.

What if the man says two blatantly contradictory things?

Someone would likely correct him.

[Zephyr]

What if the man says two blatantly contradictory things?

Someone would likely correct him.

And if nobody does? You're left with inconsistencies, just like with the manga itself. The man isn't God, his word is not infallible. His statements and contributions that weren't in the manga are all in one form or another supplementary material to the manga, and not all supplementary material fits together. When two conflicting pieces of information that both are supplementary to the manga are being compared, the choice of which one is correct would likely be an arbitrary one because both pieces are equally valid, in that they are both supplementary rather than from the manga itself.

In short: Toriyama isn't God, and his statements made outside of the manga are just as much a supplement to it as filler is.